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Unread 09-09-2011, 09:43 AM   #1
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Chevrolet took us to GM's Milford proving grounds for a look-don't-touch session with the company's new high-horsepower track animal the Camaro ZL1. We didn't get to drive the prototypes on hand, but we did poke them with a stick and query engineers on their beastly spawn. Here's what we found out.


The Chevy Camaro ZL1 gets 580 hp, and 9 other things you need to know

580 horses and a mindboggling 556 torks....that's mindboggling in a Camaro

Wow.
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GT500 has better power to weight, and handles better. I cant wait for the track test.
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ZL1 will use the same magnetic ride control as the CTS-V. You have no clue how it will handle.
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ZL1 will use the same magnetic ride control as the CTS-V. You have no clue how it will handle.
Which is basically a more complicated way of doing what Ford did in the Thunderbird Turbo Coupe and Super Coupe in 1987 and 1989, the same shocks I have on my car. I dont really care how many magnetized iron flakes are in the dampers, I care more about how much the SOB weighs.
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I don't think it's all that comparable to your Bird's shocks. Even so, you seem to love your MN12 handling, then you call the Camaro out for handling badly? Sounds more like you're trying to find something wrong with it before it's even out.
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I don't think it's all that comparable to your Bird's shocks. Even so, you seem to love your MN12 handling, then you call the Camaro out for handling badly? Sounds more like you're trying to find something wrong with it before it's even out.
Im saying that nobody cares about auto adjusting shocks, they arent a big deal, especially in the sloppy ass Camaro chassis. I'd like to see how much they help the car out, but I'm not holding my breath. The MN12 handles better with the SC shocks because the suspension was designed around them, not the soft base Thunderbird shocks. It sounds more like they are being jerryrigged into the Camaro just so GM could say it has them, as opposed to the suspension being designed around the dampers (like in the Thunderbird SC and CTS-V).

Im not calling the Camaro out because of the shocks, I'm calling it out because of the bad suspension... (why does a log axle Mustang handle better? Come on GM... a properly sprung MN12 puts up higher skidpad numbers.)

Im calling out GM marketing on the shocks, they are making such a big deal out of them in commercials like they came up with some great breakthrough. All they did was find a more complicated way of doing what Ford did nearly 25 years ago.
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Im saying that nobody cares about auto adjusting shocks, they arent a big deal, especially in the sloppy ass Camaro chassis. I'd like to see how much they help the car out, but I'm not holding my breath. The MN12 handles better with the SC shocks because the suspension was designed around them, not the soft base Thunderbird shocks. It sounds more like they are being jerryrigged into the Camaro just so GM could say it has them, as opposed to the suspension being designed around the dampers (like in the Thunderbird SC and CTS-V).

Im not calling the Camaro out because of the shocks, I'm calling it out because of the bad suspension... (why does a log axle Mustang handle better? Come on GM... a properly sprung MN12 puts up higher skidpad numbers.)

Im calling out GM marketing on the shocks, they are making such a big deal out of them in commercials like they came up with some great breakthrough. All they did was find a more complicated way of doing what Ford did nearly 25 years ago.
Man you nedd to do a little more homework. The purpose of the shocks is to allow for a brilliant luxury ride when wanted and a hard core performance suspension when needed. I ridden a bunch of T-birds and the right reminds me of a old lincoln at best. The reason the Mustang puts up better numbers is Ford has been developing that chassis for 50 years and followed changes as they went. GM Camaro platform has been tested by some of the top names in racing who extremly approve and personnelly will bet this caf out performs the Laguna Seca Mustang when it's released. Where GM really messed up was releasing so much preproduction info on the Camaro giving Ford a chance to
compete, and now rather then holding the #1 spot they are competitive cor second. It is all about to a change soon. As GM is keeping it's new line of engines pretty hush hush. The Coyotes, LS, and Hemi's are soon to be obsolete.
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GM has some of the finest engineers in the world along with a very large pile of performance parts to pick from. The only things the engineers have to contend with are the bean counters and bosses.

I personally am glad to see GM making the ZL1 Camaro. More goodies and high end parts available to use with the lower model Camaro.

And one of these LSA's out of a crasher would look great between my 240's shock towers.
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Man you nedd to do a little more homework. The purpose of the shocks is to allow for a brilliant luxury ride when wanted and a hard core performance suspension when needed. I ridden a bunch of T-birds and the right reminds me of a old lincoln at best. The reason the Mustang puts up better numbers is Ford has been developing that chassis for 50 years and followed changes as they went. GM Camaro platform has been tested by some of the top names in racing who extremly approve and personnelly will bet this caf out performs the Laguna Seca Mustang when it's released. Where GM really messed up was releasing so much preproduction info on the Camaro giving Ford a chance to
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GM has some of the finest engineers in the world along with a very large pile of performance parts to pick from. The only things the engineers have to contend with are the bean counters and bosses.

I personally am glad to see GM making the ZL1 Camaro. More goodies and high end parts available to use with the lower model Camaro.

And one of these LSA's out of a crasher would look great between my 240's shock towers.
I'd like to see that, competition is a good thing for everyone.

The Thunderbird that I am referring to is a Thunderbird SC with the working Tokico Automatic Ride Control, a system that "allow(s) for a brilliant luxury ride when wanted and a hard core performance suspension when needed." The Thunderbirds you have ridden in (the majority of them) are not SCs and come with terribly soft springs and shocks, a big mistake by Ford that really crippled the chassis. The MN12 team built a performance car, and Ford wanted and marketed a luxury car, Ford crippled the handling for the sake of ride on the base and LX cars to sell more cars to old people. The cars you rode in probably had worn out suspensions underneath them (bad bushings), like mine had when I bought it. The difference is night and day. Its like the difference between a stock Lancer and an Evo.

My Thunderbird has the factory SC Tokico Automatic Ride Control shocks because I added them and it made an astronomical difference. The stock Thunderbird SC put out some of the best skidpad numbers of the 80s with something like .88g on the skidpad with stock springs and stock skinny 225 tires. My car is helped even further by my Eibach progressive 1.5" drop springs and modern tires. I would put my Thunderbird head to head with a Camaro ZL1 on the skidpad.

There are few things Ford did with the Thunderbird that are just incredibly stupid but luckily quick and cheap to remedy:

1. Too soft springs and shocks on the NA / Non-sport V8 cars (replace springs and shocks, cost me $250 for both... fleaBay ftw)
2. Reducing the size of the anti-roll bars with every consecutive model year (early roll bars are easy to find, aftermarket ones are cheap)
3. Automatic only on NA V6 and V8 cars. (tons of options for manual swaps, can be done on in one day in any garage)

The best stock MN12s are:

Thunderbird SC ('89-'95)
Thunderbird Sport 5.0 ('91-'92)
Thunderbird Sport 4.6 ('96-97)
Cougar XR-7 SC ('89-'90)
Cougar XR-7 5.0 ('91-'92)

The SC, early Sport, and early XR-7s all come with the Tokico Auto Ride Control shocks, beefier anti-roll bars, and sport springs. The later Thunderbird Sport comes with sport shocks rather than the expensive Tokico units, but they are actually pretty good, way better than the standard shocks.

Any MN12 can have its potential unlocked, all it takes is a few cheap junkyard parts, a garage and a Saturday. You end up with a car that drives much nicer than the vast majority of cars on the road, for far less money.


I actually just found that commercial while writing this post, its freaking awesome.
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A stock GTO with collapsed factory springs and caddy shocks puts out better skid pads numbers then that not coubting the V6 Camaro. The SS and ZL1 would murder your car at its best factory set up. I don't think you get it have you driven a new Camaro? Other then blind spots its miles beyond the T-Bird. If i remember right the Grand National in 87the put out better skid pad numbers then that also with a solid axle.



You need to get over this T-bird crap and stop dumping on other peoples treads. Ford didnt even like ir they replaced it with a front wheel drive Cougar and latter a Poor example of a under powered retro car. If it would have been that great it would have became the new pony car platform.



Back to Mustangs anyway they tried IRS and couldn't make it work right. Much like Ford was convinced they could make the DOHC cam V8 work GM is determined to make the RWD IRS work.
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