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Unread 12-18-2011, 09:38 PM   #1
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i traded my 95 Mustang for a 1991 Camaro

this is my first chevy it has a l03 305 TBI v8 mated to a 700-r4..... the body is in great shape, the engine has no issues.... well except its minus 45 cubic inches.... its straight piped with a cat so it growls but its not loud at all..... the gauges show the typical stupid camaro tach for 90-92 camaros that says im idling at 4500 rpm (yay F1 engine) so i need to solder in a new resistor... and the trans was replaced but the previous owner forgot to keep the camaro VSS so the electronic speedo doesnt work.... but other than that its a HUGE upgrade from my puny 95 mustang.... its body is awesome and it has the 1 yr only 91 z/28 spoiler and every other z/28 piece of trim and markings including the dash logo and wheels... it has a real cowl hood but i need to get a K&N xstream lid for it to work correctly.

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Glad to see you in something that tracks straight. Gonna miss that old mustang though, that thing went through hell and back and kept on.
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You replaced a Ford 3.8 with a Chevy 305. The worst of both worlds, lol
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Glad to see you in something that tracks straight. Gonna miss that old mustang though, that thing went through hell and back and kept on.
i know..... i still LOVE my mustang dont get me wrong..... but the camaro is a good car and a pleasant change

ps thanks for breaking in the new rear tires.... this thing whoops on that 3.8
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You replaced a Ford 3.8 with a Chevy 305. The worst of both worlds, lol
no that would be replacing it with a 2.8 or 3.1 ..... those are some failure happy engines.... i admit this doesnt have the power output of its bigger brother but my family and friends have had some long life and low maintenance 305's and i have known this particular car for over a year and its a damn trooper.... plus torque is nice and Kenny's burnout was awesome

ps atleast mine is just a baby 350 not a castrated one (lol 4.3)

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Don't be hatin' on the 305, Mike. You know damn well they're just as good an engine as the 350 is, mostly because they are a bloomin' 350. Just with less displacement. They'll rev higher to boot. Also, it isn't liable to eat head gaskets like the 3.8 he had was.


elev8r brought it over last night and I gave it a prelim check. It uhh...well, put it this way, it spins the tires without effort, starts easily, and idles smooth as silk. Sounds great too. It's a strong motor, and the car's tight besides.
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i know..... i still LOVE my mustang dont get me wrong..... but the camaro is a good car and a pleasant change

ps thanks for breaking in the new rear tires.... this thing whoops on that 3.8


no that would be replacing it with a 2.8 or 3.1 ..... those are some failure happy engines.... i admit this doesnt have the power output of its bigger brother but my family and friends have had some long life and low maintenance 305's and i have known this particular car for over a year and its a damn trooper.... plus torque is nice and Kenny's burnout was awesome

ps atleast mine is just a baby 350 not a castrated one (lol 4.3)
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Don't be hatin' on the 305, Mike. You know damn well they're just as good an engine as the 350 is, mostly because they are a bloomin' 350. Just with less displacement. They'll rev higher to boot. Also, it isn't liable to eat head gaskets like the 3.8 he had was.


elev8r brought it over last night and I gave it a prelim check. It uhh...well, put it this way, it spins the tires without effort, starts easily, and idles smooth as silk. Sounds great too. It's a strong motor, and the car's tight besides.
2.8s aren't bad motors, and 3.1s just like head gaskets (not as much as your old 3.8 though). They put them in a TON of vehicles, they're not good but they're not that bad.

If by baby 350 and not a castrated one like a 4.3, you'd be glad to know my 4.3 makes MORE power than your 305 the L03 only made 170 horses. You've got 15 torque on me...but you've also got two cylinders and 43 cubic inches.

Kenny, they're actually not a 350 with less displacement. They're a 262 V8 from the 70s that's bored out. It shared a crank with the 350, and was united under the "small block" name, but that's it. And the 262 was no better. So if anything it's a cousin of the 350. My 4.3 is a 350 with 2 cylinders lopped off.

Remember, this is coming from a Chevy guy. I'm not trying to be rude, but a 305 isn't a terribly useful motor.


If it were me, a 350 swap would be #1 on my list
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Haters gonna hate I guess. Nothing wrong with a 305 and you know it. I get the same diatribe from hotrodders whenever I mention inline six, regardless of brand, simply because common opinion says they're boat anchors. Common opinion does not represent fact in either case.
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But fact is my V6 has more power...
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He's got more torque, less weight, better aero, lower rolling resistance, and a lower CoG. His camaro would run rings around your blazer all day long in every on-road performance metric you care to name.

Horsepower is a nearly meaningless, calculated figure. Torque is what actually does the work, and both engines in this discussion have near-as-makes-no-difference the same rev band. 17HP? Meaningless difference, and you lose it to aero anyway, not to mention the driveline drag from your 4WD system.
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1997 Ford Explorer XLT | 4.0L Vulcan V6 | 5-speed automatic | shift-on-the-fly 4WD | 210,000 miles | Running 95% - Needs brakes on all four corners + bald tires
1989 Ford F150 | 300cid six...again | 5-speed | 4x4 | 160K | Needs brakes done as well. Oi!

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Haters gonna hate I guess. Nothing wrong with a 305 and you know it. I get the same diatribe from hotrodders whenever I mention inline six, regardless of brand, simply because common opinion says they're boat anchors. Common opinion does not represent fact in either case.
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He's got more torque, less weight, better aero, lower rolling resistance, and a lower CoG. His camaro would run rings around your blazer all day long in every on-road performance metric you care to name.

Horsepower is a nearly meaningless, calculated figure. Torque is what actually does the work, and both engines in this discussion have near-as-makes-no-difference the same rev band. 17HP? Meaningless difference, and you lose it to aero anyway, not to mention the driveline drag from your 4WD system.


Kenny just remember the rules of the internet #14 ...... it must be his time of the month lol... our vehicles are geared for different clientele .... i mean i wouldnt pull a stump with my camaro.... nor would i want to take the s turn on bluebird at speed in his blazer (i did in my neighbors green 2wd blazer one day and found that pet urine cleaner works for humans too)

anyway i was talking to sean and his buddy who works at lebanon scrap has a wrecked 1992 camaro z/28 with the tuned port injected LB9 305 and a 5 spd..... he said the trans case is cracked but it has the G92 perf axle ratio with a lsd and the complete harness, computer and top end which are good for 230HP out of the box and 250-260 with porting and some timing and he only wants like 100 bux to let us strip it.... plus sean has like 50 sets of chevy headers so im trying to get a set of shorties off him.... hell his stepdad wants to sell me a 700hp IMCA 350 that runs on methanol but i dont have the 1500 bux for it lol.... i would like to raid seans garage for little odds and ends though.... i never could with my ford but now its like a candy store LOL

EDIT: and dear god this thing is thirsty when you treat the accelerator as a switch

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