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Unread 01-13-2012, 12:01 PM   #1
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Default manual transmission, your opinion please?

IMO it's not here to stay, so little cars are manual now...

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I'd rather have a manual. You have full control, and you can get better mileage. It's also more fun to drive a stick than a an auto. I refuse to own anything that's automatic anymore, even if it means driving my old truck till the day I die..
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Manuals aren't going anywhere. They are actually very popular.
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Not as popular as they should be. Find me a full size 2012 gas truck made by the big 3 that comes with a manual.
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No, the manual transmission isnt going anywhere. Period. Even if for most commuting and economy vehicles, they may all switch to auto; but as long as people drive for pleasure or fun (which will be forever), manual is staying. And I wont drive an auto unless I have to, so manual is staying for me too.

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They're slowly dying, but i hope they don't completely die.

When the lead Corvette ZR1 team manager was approached about putting a semiautomatic in the ZR1 he replied with an emphatic "Hell no!"
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If it doesn't have a manual gearbox it has no business in my driveway. I don't care what you're using it for. Plow truck, tow vehicle, daily driver, sports car, all-out racer, if it doesn't have an H-gate manual I don't want it.


You just can't knock something that hasn't significantly changed in nearly a hundred years. The manual transmission in a 2012 Corvette and the manual transmission in a 1931 Ford Model A are functionally identical, the only difference being the Model A's gearbox doesn't have synchros. Automatics and flappy paddle gearboxes are constantly evolving, manuals haven't changed a damn bit. Says something about how solid the design is, eh?
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No, Kenny. It's so simple, it can't really be changed. Just smoother shifting
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I love my 5 speed! Ill never loose my touch with manuals!
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No, Kenny. It's so simple, it can't really be changed. Just smoother shifting
Oh it could be changed. what do you think Flappy Paddle gearboxes were originally? They couldn't have been manuals that racers wanted to shift faster and faster, now could they? I mean, there's no conceivable way someone would ever want a gearbox in their race car that only needed the clutch to be used when stopping, that's just absurd. And I mean, nobody in their right mind would ever want to be able to change gears while on full throttle and in under 100ms, that's just crazy talk.


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Of course they've tried. Flappy paddle gearboxes are the attempt to make manuals better. But all they really do is improve shift time, at the cost of smoothness, longevity, reliability, simplicity, cost, servicing ease, and low maintenance. The flappy paddle unit in a Nissan GTR is all but toast if you like the launch control, the only thing that saves it is the fact that the clutches are fried after the second hard launch. And then you look at Ferrari and Lamborghini's flappy paddle offerings, which are quite jerky when shifting and notoriously annoying when trying to park, something their H-gate predecessors didn't have issues with. The older H-gate cars were only as jerky as the driver wanted them to be, if the need arose they could be shifted as smoothly as any automatic Caddy. Flappy paddles work fine on the racetrack I suppose, where their flaws aren't anywhere near as much of a concern, but I don't want one on my streetcar.


Another point against your statement: a planetary automatic isn't very complex either. Planetary gearset, simple hydraulic circuit to shift it, a fluid coupling at the front and an engine driven hydraulic pump. That's all you'll find in the early examples, certainly no more complex than a manual. They started showing up just after World War Two. But they sucked, so they've been working on improving them constantly. Computer controlled valve bodies, multi-stage torque converters with lockup clutches in them, different materials used in the bands/clutches, differing additive packages in the fluid, and that's just over the past 25 or 30 years. They still haven't quite figured out how to cheaply make a 5 or 6 speed automatic transaxle, and for some odd reason trucks still get four speeds!

Manuals? They haven't changed since the advent of synchronizers, and the reason for that is they didn't need to be changed. They're fine the way they are. KISS is being used with them. There's no need to try to complicate them further when they're already about as good as transmissions are going to get.


IMO the only way we're going to improve on the manual, and 'improve' is a dubious statement since it takes the soul out of driving, is if cars adopt the same transmission diesel locomotives use. Small engine relative to vehicle weight, diesels would be perfect for this, generates electricity on demand, which is then relayed to drive motors at each wheel, thus providing motion. Such a system would see 70-90MPG commuter cars in America, and god only knows how high the europeans with their penchant for really tiny engines will get. I still wouldn't buy one as it would take the soul out of driving, but it would seriously boost fuel efficiency and pulling power.
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