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Unread 03-24-2012, 01:46 PM   #1
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First post here. Hello. I can't get consistent answers from any of the mechanics I talk to about whether the "new ford" has really changed it's ways. They're supposed to be a lot better now and I really like the looks and projected performance of the 2013 Focus ST and I REALLY want to believe that buying it won't be a huge mistake. I'm torn between that and a used honda s2000. Am I dreaming? Thanks in advance for all of your input.

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That's a little bias lautin, I like the new Fords and they're actually pretty good. They're taking a lot of tips from Mazda now, and I like it.

And it depends what you want, a Focus and a S2000 are completely different cars! One is front-wheel drive hardtop and the other is a rear-wheel drive convertible. Diferent weights, different suspension setups, etc. etc.

We could help you out if we knew what you want out of the car.

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I want something fast, nimble, attractive, reliable, and that gets at least 20 real world mpg average. I think I can trust honda at this point since my 94 accord has been decent. It has little issues here and there but nothing big. Just gaskets, pads, shocks, plugs, etc for the most parts. I have never owned a ford but the 2 american cars I've owned were terrible. My first was a 1980 Lebaron. Not terribly problematic but ugly and gutless. 88 Cherokee was a complete nightmare. Wouldn't even hold coolant. Always boiled over and over heated even with a new wp, thermostat, and burping. Never again.

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I want something fast, nimble, attractive, reliable, and that gets at least 20 real world mpg average. I think I can trust honda at this point since my 94 accord has been decent. It has little issues here and there but nothing big. Just gaskets, pads, shocks, plugs, etc for the most parts. I have never owned a ford but the 2 american cars I've owned were terrible. My first was a 1980 Lebaron. Not terribly problematic but ugly and gutless. 88 Cherokee was a complete nightmare. Wouldn't even hold coolant. Always boiled over and over heated even with a new wp, thermostat, and burping. Never again.
You bought a Chrysler and an old Jeep. Quite possibly the worst examples for American car relibility you could find. Just stick with parental companies and you'll be fine (Chevrolet, Ford, Dodge, GMC, some Cadillacs). You can definetely trust Honda, they're some of the most reliable cars on the road, most people think THE most reliable. I personally think Toyota and Suzuki but Honda is still VERY reliable. Also, pads and plugs are things that are pretty much mandatory to change for EVERY motor. It's more of a consumable than anything.

Anyway, onto your question;

Fast : S2000. Rear-wheel drive, lighter, crisper transmission, powerful engine, etc. The Ford is nice but not in the same league as the S2000 really...
Nimble : S2000 for sure; rear-wheel drive, light, double wishbone suspension, great weight distribution.
Attractive : Depends what you personally find attractive but most people would say the S2000 is a might fine looking thing while a Focus isnt really anything special; even the new ones arent amazing in the looks department.
Reliable : Ford is VERY reliable if you treat them right, but Honda is still more reliable.
Fuel Economy : The Ford has more MPG in this department, but the S2000 can for sure acieve your 20 MPG mark.

I guess its' S2000 time.

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I actually like the look of the focus and the extra seats\cargo space are a plus but not mandatory. The torque should also be nice going up hills with multiple passengers. MPG is still a question mark. Only things that would keep me from a 250hp turbo focus st would be horrible gas mileage or bad build quality. If the base model focus gets 29\39 mpg I imagine the turbo will be no slouch but it's not certain yet. Right now the main question is reliability. Lots of people have told me older focus' were junk.

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I actually like the look of the focus and the extra seats\cargo space are a plus but not mandatory. The torque should also be nice going up hills with multiple passengers. MPG is still a question mark. Only things that would keep me from a 250hp turbo focus st would be horrible gas mileage or bad build quality. If the base model focus gets 29\39 mpg I imagine the turbo will be no slouch but it's not certain yet. Right now the main question is reliability. Lots of people have told me older focus' were junk.
Depends how old you go. If you start crossing into the generation after the Escort, then yes. They were junk. The new ones should be fine though to be honest; just look after them nicely.

Also, unless you carry lumber or something unnecesarily bulky, the S2000 trunk should be fine.

Mind you, there is no "multiple passengers" in an S2000. Only one. You and another person; thats it. If you NEED to fit 3 people in the car, the choice is already made for you.

Also, a 250 HP focus wont match the S2000 stock. The Focus is just too heavy and rear-wheel drive is such a + on the S2000.

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I want something fast, nimble, attractive, reliable, and that gets at least 20 real world mpg average. I think I can trust honda at this point since my 94 accord has been decent. It has little issues here and there but nothing big. Just gaskets, pads, shocks, plugs, etc for the most parts. I have never owned a ford but the 2 american cars I've owned were terrible. My first was a 1980 Lebaron. Not terribly problematic but ugly and gutless. 88 Cherokee was a complete nightmare. Wouldn't even hold coolant. Always boiled over and over heated even with a new wp, thermostat, and burping. Never again.
Read up on Cluff's Focus before you buy.
Fast, Nimble, attractive, Reliable, and averages 20 MPG. Hey my GTO does all that well maybe not the most Nible, but handles great and actually averages 24MPG. There are alot of cars that fit the bill, but I would classifiy a Focus as one of them.
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Isn't the focus withing a hundred pounds or so of the s2000 with less parasitic loss from the drivetrain? Also, another 90lb of torque couldn't hurt the focus chances.

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