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Unread 03-29-2012, 12:47 AM   #1
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I just watched the videos and it made me kinda sick to my stomach.

The first video criticizes Ford Motor Company and the design flaws of the Bronco II that led to so many rollover deaths.


This second video criticizes General Motors and the fuel tank design flaws of the C/K pickups that led to so many fire deaths.



I think it was gross negligence by both companies to allow the vehicles to be sold in such deadly form. I defended the Bronco II on its video because an owner can remedy the problem by fitting wider tires. However the C/K problem is even worse because there isn't anything an owner can do to fix it, its a true deadly design flaw.

Its crap like this that caused GM to go bankrupt and Ford to nearly suffer the same fate. Even as a Ford fan, the more I learn about the history of these companies the more I am disappointed and disgusted by some of their decisions. I'm trying to see this from the most neutral point of view.

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Unread 03-29-2012, 09:29 AM   #2
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I think both incidents are blown out of proprtion.

1: Bronco IIs, along with EVERY OTHER SUV EVER MADE, are not cars. People roll them because they drive them as if they were a low-slung sports car. This, of course, leads to rolls. The whole problem was stupid drivers going too fast or being too aggressive with steering inputs. Drive it like an SUV and it will never even think about randomly flopping onto it's side. People said the same thing about Jeep Wranglers too, they were too narrow to be safe. It's the same reason the Explorers rolled over during the Firestorm tire fiasco, people would panic, slam the brakes, and swerve, which is a VERY good way to roll an SUV that's still got four good tires. Driven properly the blowouts never led to a crash.

2: If you're in a crash bad enough to rupture the fuel tank you're most likely not going to live long enough to care that your truck's on fire. If you do manage to survive the impact you won't be in any sort of condition to go anywhere under your own power, and most likely won't be getting the doors open either. Our Fords have the gas tank in the exact same position. Matter of fact that's a pretty standard place to put it on most vehicles, trucks especially. The C/K series of that era is no more of a fire hazard than the F-series and D-series they competed against, and a crash hard enough to rupture the fuel tank is most likely going to leave you a twisted pile of ground beef in the cockpit regardless of what the tank does.
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In response to CK fiery death,


Crashes soemtimes make fires. Some more than others, but still.
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The C/K gas tank thing is a bunch of shenanigans. That girl in the Mustang must of been hauling some serious ass to rupture the fuel tank. Over at 67-72 chevy trucks forums, you see pics of these 73-87 trucks that have been wrecked and side wrecked and the owners live to post this stuff, so it's a bunch of crap. Sometimes it would start leaking and cause fire, and sometimes it won't.
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