CarForum.net - Car Forums, Automotive News and Community
Home Gallery Register Calendar Members List

Go Back   CarForum.net - Car Forums, Automotive News and Community > General Car Discussion > General Automotive Discussion

Reply
LinkBack Thread Tools
Unread 05-09-2012, 12:25 PM   #1
Junior Member
 
Kaira's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Washington
Posts: 23
Rep: 10 Kaira is on a distinguished road
Default Hilux idea

Okay, my father has this 1987 Toyota Hilux. So far the plan is to get it from him as my first car. But, here is what I am thinking for it. Right now it has the old carburetor engines and it only gets ~20MPG (Up to 25 if driven better) because of this. I was thinking of swapping it for a fuel injected engine, a friend of mine said I could, but what I want to know is. What engines can I swap in place of the ~90HP 4 cylinder and keep the factory 4 speed manual transmission?
__________________
My vehicle(s): 2001 Ford Taurus (AT/FF)
198X Nissan 300zx (Z31) (MT/FR)

Father's vehicles: ~1989 Ford F-250 Lariat (AT/4WD).
~1989 Sedan (AT/FF).
(Will get pictures later.)

Kaira is offline  
Reply With Quote
Unread 05-09-2012, 03:34 PM   #2
Veteran Member
 
legoman786's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Tucson, AZ
Posts: 886
Rep: 17 legoman786 is on a distinguished road
Default

It's a Toyota. EVERYTHING that Toyota made can bolt straight to it.









Seriously speaking, anything that shares the same block/bolt pattern for the bellhousing will work.
__________________


legoman786 is offline legoman786's Gallery  
Reply With Quote
Unread 05-10-2012, 02:36 AM   #3
Spah sappin' mah susp!
 
Kenny McCormick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Earth...I think
Posts: 3,271
Rep: 96 Kenny McCormick will become famous soon enough
Default

You will need:

1x 22RE(You most likely currently have a 22R, which is the same damn engine but carburetted)
1x ECU for M/T application
1x wiring harness for EFI version of your truck
5x spare day to swap them out and rewire EVERYTHING
1x clutch kit, because you might as well change it while everything's apart.

In the mean time try a carb adjustment. You should still be getting 25MPG without even trying, and 30 if you drive carefully, even with the carb. It's a bit rich by the sound of it.
__________________
Tired Iron ain't got no time to wear out...

My rigs:

1985 Ford F150 | 4x2 | 300ci OHV inline six | 4-speed OD manual | 310K | No power brakes | Running 100% - It hasn't driven this good in 15 years!

1984 Ford F150 | 4x2 | 300ci six | granny four | 3.55 rear end | 210K | Brakes shot. Rear drums are doing most of the work. Not fit to drive due to that.
1997 Ford Explorer XLT | 4.0L Vulcan V6 | 5-speed automatic | shift-on-the-fly 4WD | 210,000 miles | Running 95% - Needs brakes on all four corners + bald tires
1989 Ford F150 | 300cid six...again | 5-speed | 4x4 | 160K | Needs brakes done as well. Oi!

Last edited by Kenny McCormick; 05-10-2012 at 02:46 AM.

Kenny McCormick is offline  
Reply With Quote
Unread 05-10-2012, 02:43 PM   #4
Junior Member
 
Kaira's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Washington
Posts: 23
Rep: 10 Kaira is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by legoman786 View Post
It's a Toyota. EVERYTHING that Toyota made can bolt straight to it.

Seriously speaking, anything that shares the same block/bolt pattern for the bellhousing will work.
Interesting...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kenny McCormick View Post
You will need:

1x 22RE(You most likely currently have a 22R, which is the same damn engine but carburetted)
1x ECU for M/T application
1x wiring harness for EFI version of your truck
5x spare day to swap them out and rewire EVERYTHING
1x clutch kit, because you might as well change it while everything's apart.

In the mean time try a carb adjustment. You should still be getting 25MPG without even trying, and 30 if you drive carefully, even with the carb. It's a bit rich by the sound of it.
Again, interesting. Do you second legoman's statement though?
__________________
My vehicle(s): 2001 Ford Taurus (AT/FF)
198X Nissan 300zx (Z31) (MT/FR)

Father's vehicles: ~1989 Ford F-250 Lariat (AT/4WD).
~1989 Sedan (AT/FF).
(Will get pictures later.)

Kaira is offline  
Reply With Quote
Unread 05-10-2012, 03:39 PM   #5
Spah sappin' mah susp!
 
Kenny McCormick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Earth...I think
Posts: 3,271
Rep: 96 Kenny McCormick will become famous soon enough
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaira View Post
Interesting...



Again, interesting. Do you second legoman's statement though?
You could probably get the electronics, intake, exhaust and distributor from a 22RE and bolt it onto your existing engine. Toyota literally changed NOTHING when they converted that little guy to EFI. Bare minimum to get it to work properly. You can go three ways to convert your truck to EFI. All three ways require a fair bit of rewiring and a manual tranny ECU from another Toyota Hilux that had a 22RE from the factory.

Way 1: Replace the entire engine with a 22RE. Direct bolt in, couple days labor. Not very complex. Bit expensive. Gives you a chance to toss a new clutch in it as well since the engine's out anyway, which never hurts.
Way 2: Replace the intake, exhaust and electronics with those from a 22RE. Less labor, but the labor you do have to do is more complex.
Way 3: Replace the head. Most complex way to do it and I wouldn't normally recommend this path, but if your valvetrain is getting worn or the head gasket is suspect and you can't afford a whole new engine this kills two birds with one stone. If you opt to go this way you should be able to avoid having to remove any of the manifolds or sensors, they will stay attached to their respective heads.



I still stand by "Adjust the carb first" though.
__________________
Tired Iron ain't got no time to wear out...

My rigs:

1985 Ford F150 | 4x2 | 300ci OHV inline six | 4-speed OD manual | 310K | No power brakes | Running 100% - It hasn't driven this good in 15 years!

1984 Ford F150 | 4x2 | 300ci six | granny four | 3.55 rear end | 210K | Brakes shot. Rear drums are doing most of the work. Not fit to drive due to that.
1997 Ford Explorer XLT | 4.0L Vulcan V6 | 5-speed automatic | shift-on-the-fly 4WD | 210,000 miles | Running 95% - Needs brakes on all four corners + bald tires
1989 Ford F150 | 300cid six...again | 5-speed | 4x4 | 160K | Needs brakes done as well. Oi!

Kenny McCormick is offline  
Reply With Quote
Unread 05-10-2012, 08:28 PM   #6
Junior Member
 
Kaira's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Washington
Posts: 23
Rep: 10 Kaira is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kenny McCormick View Post
You could probably get the electronics, intake, exhaust and distributor from a 22RE and bolt it onto your existing engine. Toyota literally changed NOTHING when they converted that little guy to EFI. Bare minimum to get it to work properly. You can go three ways to convert your truck to EFI. All three ways require a fair bit of rewiring and a manual tranny ECU from another Toyota Hilux that had a 22RE from the factory.

Way 1: Replace the entire engine with a 22RE. Direct bolt in, couple days labor. Not very complex. Bit expensive. Gives you a chance to toss a new clutch in it as well since the engine's out anyway, which never hurts.
Way 2: Replace the intake, exhaust and electronics with those from a 22RE. Less labor, but the labor you do have to do is more complex.
Way 3: Replace the head. Most complex way to do it and I wouldn't normally recommend this path, but if your valvetrain is getting worn or the head gasket is suspect and you can't afford a whole new engine this kills two birds with one stone. If you opt to go this way you should be able to avoid having to remove any of the manifolds or sensors, they will stay attached to their respective heads.



I still stand by "Adjust the carb first" though.
I'm curious if it has to be a 22RE...
__________________
My vehicle(s): 2001 Ford Taurus (AT/FF)
198X Nissan 300zx (Z31) (MT/FR)

Father's vehicles: ~1989 Ford F-250 Lariat (AT/4WD).
~1989 Sedan (AT/FF).
(Will get pictures later.)

Kaira is offline  
Reply With Quote
Unread 05-10-2012, 09:44 PM   #7
Spah sappin' mah susp!
 
Kenny McCormick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Earth...I think
Posts: 3,271
Rep: 96 Kenny McCormick will become famous soon enough
Default

It doesn't but it's the simplest swap. Swapping in a different engine with the same bellhousing and clutch will work but it will be more labor to adapt motor mounts and that sort of thing.
__________________
Tired Iron ain't got no time to wear out...

My rigs:

1985 Ford F150 | 4x2 | 300ci OHV inline six | 4-speed OD manual | 310K | No power brakes | Running 100% - It hasn't driven this good in 15 years!

1984 Ford F150 | 4x2 | 300ci six | granny four | 3.55 rear end | 210K | Brakes shot. Rear drums are doing most of the work. Not fit to drive due to that.
1997 Ford Explorer XLT | 4.0L Vulcan V6 | 5-speed automatic | shift-on-the-fly 4WD | 210,000 miles | Running 95% - Needs brakes on all four corners + bald tires
1989 Ford F150 | 300cid six...again | 5-speed | 4x4 | 160K | Needs brakes done as well. Oi!

Kenny McCormick is offline  
Reply With Quote
Unread 05-10-2012, 09:46 PM   #8
S D
Veteran Member
 
S D's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: WI
Posts: 1,988
Rep: 64 S D will become famous soon enough
Default

Toyota briefly made a few trucks with the 22RTE engine, a beefed up 22RE with a factory turbo. Something worth looking into if they are available.

Also, Toyota R engine Wiki. Toyota R engine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
__________________
Simplify, then add lightness

S D is offline S D's Gallery  
Reply With Quote
Unread 05-11-2012, 01:00 AM   #9
Junior Member
 
Kaira's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Washington
Posts: 23
Rep: 10 Kaira is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kenny McCormick View Post
It doesn't but it's the simplest swap. Swapping in a different engine with the same bellhousing and clutch will work but it will be more labor to adapt motor mounts and that sort of thing.
Well i'm not worried about more labor, that's okay. I'm just curious what other engines would work with the hilux's factory tranny. A friend of mine said an engine from an mr2 could work.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Speed_Demon View Post
Toyota briefly made a few trucks with the 22RTE engine, a beefed up 22RE with a factory turbo. Something worth looking into if they are available.

Also, Toyota R engine Wiki. Toyota R engine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Yeah, read up on that.
__________________
My vehicle(s): 2001 Ford Taurus (AT/FF)
198X Nissan 300zx (Z31) (MT/FR)

Father's vehicles: ~1989 Ford F-250 Lariat (AT/4WD).
~1989 Sedan (AT/FF).
(Will get pictures later.)

Kaira is offline  
Reply With Quote
Unread 05-11-2012, 01:12 AM   #10
Now accepting bribes.
 
lautinjr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Currently Las Vegas
Posts: 4,311
Rep: 193 lautinjr has a spectacular aura aboutlautinjr has a spectacular aura about
Default

Every vehicle in the US 87 and latter is a FI motor. Is the truck from Canada? Emissions demanded FI for 1987 for US. Oh and 22r is a great motor I would keep with that are the 22re.
__________________
Please help reduce our mini van population and wear condoms!

lautinjr is offline lautinjr's Gallery  
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:53 PM.

Shogun Interactive Development Copyright 2015 Shogun Interactive Development. All rights reserved.