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Unread 07-29-2012, 05:26 PM   #1
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Hi everyone, sorry if I posted this on the wrong place... Iīm new here, I was suggested to check this forum from people over "my" forum Overclock net

Ok, so Iīm a not a car guy, I like computers, gaming, rendering and such, and this car thing happened by pure luck, and Iīm a bit lost and regreting having bought it....



Ok, hereīs the reason I created a account here, short story, a neighbour of mine had some kids and decided to sell is home, get a big one etc...


Called me up a couple of days and told me heīd been working on something in is basement, and he would prefer to sell it to me than the person who was buying is house.

I went there with him to see it and there he had a complete tubular chassis, fully welded, with steering, tires, suspension, based around a shelby daytona coupe, but not a replica, his own interpretation.

He was in need of selling the chassis because of changing home, and asked a very good price and so I bought it ....




The chassis is not yet on my garage (trying to find a cheap transport company), reason which I didnīt yet posted a picture of it, however Iīm looking for places to buy a complete engine + transmission, for cheap, preferably a big muscle engine but something cheap....., and when i get some cash available get it fitted in a mechanic.





Could you guys give me some suggestions? some places that sell complete engines, prices I should expect etc... and any advice is greatly appreciated


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It depends on what your looking for a LS series engine and drivetrain can be had pretty cheap, but what else needs to be done to the car. Lets get some pics.
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If you're a Chevy guy, GM crate 350 + 4bbl + headers + T-5 manual out of a Camaro or Firebird = good to go.

If you're a Ford guy, a crate 302 with the above mods plus a T-5 out of a Mustang will work nicely.

If you're a Mopar guy, 318 + bla-de-bla.

My two cents: Go with the SBF, seeing as it's a shelby daytona lookalike. The originals had Ford powertrains in them. All three choices are good though.
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As Kenny and Larry have said, your best options would probably be either an LS1/LT1/run of the mill 350 out of an f-body, or a 302 out of a Mustang.
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Many thanks lautinjr, kenny and Mike for the posts.

Iīm still trying to get a transport company to move it, unfortunatly my neighbourg, moved the car to a rented garage and prepared it for transport, also I believe that there are some fiberglass panels in there but donīt really know, the problem is all the transport companies I contacted charge insane prices for transport, more than what I paid, and Iīm currently a bit busy at work, so I canīt really call more of them and see the prices until I finish this project at work.

As for the engines you guys mentioned, going to start reading a lot about that, I really donīt know much about it, and also another thing I should have mentioned, I live in Europe...more precisely Spain.. so some engines may be hard to get or pretty much out of my budget...

One of the engines that you guys said plus transmission is about how much?

The only mechanic I know itīs a guy back at suzuki where I take my bike for servicing, Iīm going to ask him if he know how to do it and get engines.

If I import a engine Iīll have to take in account the transport, so I was thinking of something german, like a old used m3 engine... but I donīt really have price range on anything so Iīl look deeper into it.

Are there any companies that sell engines and transmission that have like a website where you can see their products, of those american engines you said?

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Update:

Hi again, just talked on the phone with my bikeīs mechanic and he suggested I checked a thing he called "crate engines" seemed expensive, either way going to give it a check.

Going to check prices on edelbrock? (donīt recall the name, wrote it down on a paper canīt find it )
check GM engines, he gave me a link.

But this was for new engines, Iīm looking for cheaper options, so he told me he could get (without transmission, just the engine) a Lancia Beta engina, for around 1500$ and a Alfa V6 for 2200$.

Seemed good enough, although I still donīt have a idea of the cost of a used engine like the one you guys suggested, if you could give me some usual prices it would be great (I take a transmission costs about the same as the engine... at least for the Alfa and the Lancia itīs about the same.

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I would advise against a Lancia Beta motor. May be good sounding but not all that reliable. The Alfa V6 would be better if you have no choice but to buy local. The V8 option will grant plenty of reliability, 200,000 miles and still going strong is not at all uncommon for every V8 that's been mentioned here, alongside an authentic feel and sound. Getting your hands on a second-hand V8 will be a bit trickier in Spain, but it is possible. You could look into importing one from the states. You might also get lucky and find one for sale in Europe somewhere, while uncommon there are people in your part of the world that enjoy a good, throaty American V8.


Crate motors are a bit pricey but a good secondhand 302 V8 + T-5 manual from a Mustang will run about $1500 turnkey. At least, here. Import fees and shipping will undoubtedly raise that, but still below the price of a crate engine alone, and matching that of the Alfa motor. A good Jasper or Ford Performance crate 302 will run about $5000, GM Goodwrench charges about the same for a 4bbl mild 350. Transmissions will run another $2500 brand new.
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Many thanks Kenny McCormick,

Sorry to bother everyone again,

Can you guys give me a idea of how hard can be making fiberglass or aluminum panels be? the mechanic who services my bike, also a friend, just went today to the rented garage to check on the shipping of the chassis and fiberglass panels and told me the left frontal hood/bumper? (donīt know the exact english word) is missing and needs to be manufactured...

Well I donīt think I can pay someone to do that, might get to expensive, so I will maybe have to do some parts.... Iīm trying to get another worker to aid on the problem ..... my girlfriend ...

I told her itīs relatively easy .... but ... I just want to know if anyone here tryied it out.


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Fibreglass needs molds, is time consuming, expensive, and requires expertise.

Aluminum... Well if you buy scrap aluminum and know how to shape it and have the tools to cut metal; you should be able to do aluminum by yourself. I wouldn't touch fibreglass though.

Also, let us know which engine you get :P It really might be a good idea to choose an American muscle engine over some wimpy skimpy small displacement euro banger :P

And what are your intentions for the car? Sell after make? Pleasure driving? Track driving? That can help us a lot in making suggestions.

Edit: Also, give us a budget. You may say that a 2200$ engine is cheap, but when in reality you have lots of money set aside from the project and have room in the budget to throw in an LS or LT...

I wouldn't go Mopar personally... Hemi's are expensive; just by design.

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A crate engine is just a brand new engine made buy a company for the sheer purpose of dropping it into something, be it an engine swap, or some sort of project. They're more expensive because they're brand new, versus finding a second hand LS1 or something for dirt cheap (in the states anyway)
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