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Unread 08-12-2012, 01:33 AM   #1
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Traded a gt250 (the bike I taught my gf to ride on...I've since purchased an fzr600 for her) for a mossberg 500, a whole bin of shells, and a 1993 f150. It's a rwd and auto (unfortunately) but with the straight six. Very high mileage (270k) but the trans was rebuild and only has 70k, and it's been relatively well maintained. It's got plenty of rust spots, but the engine sounds good, the frame has surface rust only. I gotta buy a driverside lock cylinder and a windshield wiper relay, otherwise its in good working order. I've taken to buying, fixing, and selling motorcycles (fun, relaxing, and I need the extra cash for school) so the 240sx isn't really practical. I think I have a buyer for it this week.

And, sorry I haven't been around much lately (although I definitely do my share of lurking) but between school, work, more work, and the bike work I've been doing I spend my spare time sleeping! But, I figured I'd share the news!
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Unread 08-12-2012, 02:24 AM   #2
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Ooooh. Nice, nice. Welcome to the F-series club. You'll love that old 300. Sounds like it's been well cared for, too, so that engine should have a lot of life left in it. Mine's been so-so cared for over it's long life and it's still going at 310K. If I were you I'd look into replacing the auto with an M5OD pretty quick. Do that and you'll see 17-20MPG combined out of that truck.


Any pics? 4WD? 2WD? Options? long/short bed? Reg/ext/crew cab?
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Ooooh. Nice, nice. Welcome to the F-series club. You'll love that old 300. Sounds like it's been well cared for, too, so that engine should have a lot of life left in it. Mine's been so-so cared for over it's long life and it's still going at 310K. If I were you I'd look into replacing the auto with an M5OD pretty quick. Do that and you'll see 17-20MPG combined out of that truck.


Any pics? 4WD? 2WD? Options? long/short bed? Reg/ext/crew cab?
pics will be up tomorrow. It's reg cab, 8 foot bed, and unfortunately it's 2wd. I'm expecting about 16-17 out of the truck if I'm easy on it as is, does that sound accurate? And how hard is it to swap to the m5od? and what do they usually run? The one in there now is a jasper rebuild with 70k, so for 3-4 mpg gain do you think it would be worth it?
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It's reg cab, 8 foot bed, and unfortunately it's 2wd.
Nothing wrong with that. Good old pickup, and with good tires it won't let you down.
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I'm expecting about 16-17 out of the truck if I'm easy on it as is,
You'll have to be easy on it for sure. Automatics and 300s don't quite see eye to eye so if you even consider the throttle it will happily slurp gas down, but it should get 16-18MPG combined if you're easy on it and avoid speeds over 65MPH.

For comparison, mine gets 16-18 combined with the OD 4-speed under normal conditions, and if I want to I can coax it into 20MPG combined through a mixture of 55MPH roadways and avoiding stoplights. Mine's carb'd though, and much more tired by the sound of it. Raptor might be a better source since his is EFI as well.

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It's harder on the pocketbook than it is on the tools. Once you have the gearbox out it's like the Taj Mahal under there. I'm 6'1'' and I was able to sit up straight underneath mine with the tranny out. I only had to bend my head forward slightly. Ford also cut out the holes for the clutch hydraulics and floor shifter, even on automatic trucks, so you shouldn't have to worry about that. The shifter hole should have a panel bolted on to keep debris and moisture out, and the clutch hole will probably have a plug of some sort in it.


It's a pretty easy swap. Everything just bolts in using off-the-shelf parts, seeing as the M5OD was a factory gearbox in those years.


Oh, and make sure you get the driveshaft for a reg cab long bed as well. The one with the automatic won't fit.

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and what do they usually run?
Depends on where you get it. It'd be a good idea to find a truck that has engine, rust or clutch issues that you can buy for spares, as you'll spend as much for the whole parts truck as you would on just the gearbox, and you can verify that the transmission is sound before cash swaps hands. You may also be able to land a wrecked truck with a good tranny, if someone rolled it or got T-boned the parts you're interested in should have survived just fine.


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The one in there now is a jasper rebuild with 70k, so for 3-4 mpg gain do you think it would be worth it?
It would be, but at the same time the automatic isn't exactly about to fall out of it. Jasper knows what they're doing, so as long as the auto was installed correctly and you keep the maintenance up on it you can do the manual swap on your terms, grabbing bits and pieces here and there and minimizing the pocketbook hit. Even with the automatic you should get years of reliable service out of the truck.
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1997 Ford Explorer XLT | 4.0L Vulcan V6 | 5-speed automatic | shift-on-the-fly 4WD | 210,000 miles | Running 95% - Needs brakes on all four corners + bald tires
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The e-brake locked up today (which was odd 'cause the ebrake handle isn't even connected and the cable had slack in it) but I removed the horizontal bar that makes it work, since it didn't work anyway.

This is my first vehicle with drums, so I've got a couple dumb questions.

1) How do I get the front upper spring back on?
2) I completely contracted the adjuster on the bottom to make it easier to get stuff back on...where do I adjust it out to?
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Are you sure it was the Ebrake? Old F150's are known to have issues with the rear valve causing the rear brakes to lock up occasionally or often.
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Are you sure it was the Ebrake? Old F150's are known to have issues with the rear valve causing the rear brakes to lock up occasionally or often.
Yeah probably more of a RABS problem than a ebrake problem, clean the connector that runs to the rear axle.
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1) How do I get the front upper spring back on?
In my experience it just pops right on with the right tool. Pick up the Haynes on 80-96 F-series, they got decent pix in there.

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2) I completely contracted the adjuster on the bottom to make it easier to get stuff back on...where do I adjust it out to?
Adjust it out until there's a slight drag on the drum, but no further. Too tight and you cook the shoes, too loose and you roll around on front brakes alone.
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Proper adjustment would actually leave 1/32nds clearance between the shoe and the drum. Of course who has a gauge to measure that?




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Proper adjustment would actually leave 1/32nds clearance between the shoe and the drum. Of course who has a gauge to measure that?




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