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Unread 11-23-2012, 03:51 PM   #1
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Default Hey, new to driving!Suggestions?

Hey everyone, I am 16, looking to get my first car, I know, the basics about cars, probably just a wee bit more then 75% of my age group. So yeah, im looking to buy my first car soon, I want to get a manual transmission, which I realize it sounds impractical, or maybe not, but from what my uncle has been telling me it is impractical and im going to hate it. My dad is standing behind me on it a bit more, but id rather get the opinion of everyone else.
Basically my dad, uncle, and aunt have always drove manual and since im a kid it has just interested me so much, I feel like it is just going to be a ton more fun then driving automatic. Now what would be a practical first buy? I want to get maybe an suv, or a jeep, possibly a grandcheeroke or something of such nature, I play the guitar so it would only help carrying equipment around back and forth to longisland and back to staten island, but im not strickly limiting myself to an suv. Im gunna say im having a 4 grand budget considering im paying for it myself, so yeah, any suggestions would be great for a noob, haha
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Manuals are more common in cars than SUVs. If you want manual, you'd be happier getting a car with one.

Cars can carry guitars just fine. Put it in a case and pop it in the backseat. My full-size Washburn acoustic with case and everything fits fine in the backseat of my brother-in-laws Corolla. No biggie.

Four grand is not much to work with; espiecally when dealing with an SUV or CUV.

What do you want out of a car? Help us help you by telling us what you want so that we can suggest you something that suits those needs.

Things like:
Is fuel economy important to you?
Is engine power important to you?
Is handling important to you?
Will you be carrying a lot of other passengers?
Will you be carrying a lot of luggage?
Do you plan on modifying the car?
Do you mind expensive maintenance?
Do you mind having to purchase premium fuel?
Do you prefer a bigger car or smaller car?
Do you have a brand loyalty?

Any info you can give us can help us narrow down the answers for you.

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Hey thanks for you reply!
Fuel economy is sort of important to me, I dont want to really have less then say 16 city miles to the gallon
Engine power, well I do want some decent power, nothing crazy, I dont know too much specifics about engines to be completely honest, I joined so I could learn more about that
Handling is sort of important to me, driving was very suprisingly not as hard for me as it was for my brother or cousin or my friends, I feel very natural driving, im not sure if that ties into handling, I drove my brother corolla when he first got it, had some pretty shotty handling compared to most cars, his was an automatic, before my dad fixed it up, I handled it pretty well.
at any given time I will be carrying 1-5 passengers
As for luggage I will probably be carrying my electric, acoustic and obviously i probably wont carry my entire rack but i plan on buying maybe a medium size rack
As for modifications my dads was a mechanic for a long time, so im gunna buy a car that maybe isnt in the best condition and work on it with my dad, as for like crazy racing modifications probably not .
Do I mind expensive maintenance? yes a little, Probably wont be going to shops to get anything fixed unless its major and cant do it in the garage with my dad haha.
Purcahsing premium fuel, I would really mind too much
I prefer a bigger car, but like I said wouldnt mind a normal sized car
Brand loyalty not so much, my uncle has always driven jeep, and he loves it, I like jeeps, but then again this is from an unproffesional opinion
Thanks so much!

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Oh jeez sorry didnt realize I probably should have put it into the looking to buy section!

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Hey thanks for you reply!
Fuel economy is sort of important to me, I dont want to really have less then say 16 city miles to the gallon

- You shouldn't have a problem getting 16 MPG city. 16 MPG was really in the days of SPFI (single point fuel injection) where fuel injection was a bit rich in order to compensate for the possibility of vacuum changes causing an upset in the airflow in the intake path that may have disturbed the intake tract's ability to fill cylinders as intended. Most engines these days are either MPFI (mult-point fuel injection), PFI (port fuel injection), or GDI (gasoline direct injection). As far as 4,000 dollars goes; you probably won't be seeing GDI (the latest and greatest in "innovations"), and I think MPFI is where you'll be slotted at. 16 MPG is no problem for these engines; being given that the cars they are moving are not too unaerodynamic, nor too heavy. Also, learn to drive economically; it will ALWAYS help.

Engine power, well I do want some decent power, nothing crazy, I dont know too much specifics about engines to be completely honest, I joined so I could learn more about that

- If you don't have a priority about power, then finding a car for you will be no problem. Most CUVs or SUVs do not come with engine power as a priority; they just simply come with powerful engines to compensate for the larger size and less aerodynamic efficiency of the vehicles. Though personally, I think a compact or mid-size sedan is your sweet spot. For most cars of this caliber, an engine from 2.0L to 3.5L will suit you fine in power, economy, and purchase price. Though of course, Honda's little 1.8L and 1.6L engines are O-K too.

Handling is sort of important to me, driving was very suprisingly not as hard for me as it was for my brother or cousin or my friends, I feel very natural driving, im not sure if that ties into handling, I drove my brother corolla when he first got it, had some pretty shotty handling compared to most cars, his was an automatic, before my dad fixed it up, I handled it pretty well.

- Unfortunately, you're pretty much stuck as far as handling goes. Your budget is restrictive; mainly to FWD (or AWD if you mange to find an older Impreza or Legacy or... Mercury Topaz?), and to MacPherson strut suspensions. These suspension setups are good enough for most average consumers, and they are cheap as well (the main reason theyre used most often in consumer cars). The main things to remember when handling a FWD car is to be mindful of torque steer, and to remember that a FWD acts very similarily to a RWD car in a turn as long as both cars are not under throttle. Now, as far as MacPherson struts go, just be careful not to overload the ability of these struts; they are simple and amazing pieces of engineering, but they don't have the rebound and dampening ability and variation that a double wishbone or multilink suspension setup will have; espiecally in a budget car.

at any given time I will be carrying 1-5 passengers

- So again; the most you'll ever need is a mid-size sedan.

As for luggage I will probably be carrying my electric, acoustic and obviously i probably wont carry my entire rack but i plan on buying maybe a medium size rack

- Both guitars will be fine in the backseat, with room to spare for a backpack for college, a laptop, lunch, and whatever the heck else you want. And even room in the front for a friend.

As for modifications my dads was a mechanic for a long time, so im gunna buy a car that maybe isnt in the best condition and work on it with my dad, as for like crazy racing modifications probably not .

- Good. Your budget doesn't really allow you much wiggle room here.

Do I mind expensive maintenance? yes a little, Probably wont be going to shops to get anything fixed unless its major and cant do it in the garage with my dad haha.

- So that pretttty much rules out BMWs and Audis. That's okay though.

Purcahsing premium fuel, I would really mind too much

- Again, goodbye beemer!

I prefer a bigger car, but like I said wouldnt mind a normal sized car

- Compact to mid-size sedan I hear.

Brand loyalty not so much, my uncle has always driven jeep, and he loves it, I like jeeps, but then again this is from an unproffesional opinion
Thanks so much!

- It is very good you don't have much brand loyalty. It gives you lots of choices.
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I think your best bet would be an older Subaru Impreza or Subaru Legacy if you can find them in good condition. They are an AWD platform and can easily get over 16 MPG with their fuel setups and smaller engine displacements.

Another fine idea would just to get a Honda Civic or Toyota Corolla if you can find them for under 4k.

If you really just "dont care" and just want cheap transportation that you can rag the hell out of on, then a Toyota Tercel is your car.

Also consider the Nissan Sentra.

I guess the next questions would be:

Do you mind an older car? (1990s)
Do you mind a reallly older car? (1980s)
Do you mind going with a diesel car?
Your needs same very easy to fulfill, you have some wiggle room to be even more picky. Anything else you wanna mention? Do you want an easier time in the winter with an AWD setup? Perhaps you want to rid yourself of torque steer and want a RWD setup (-cough cough- Cadillac Catera -cough cough-)? Do you want some luxury? Maybe you're picky about aesthetics? You have some wiggle room to be honest.

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Replied in the bolds to specific comments.

I think your best bet would be an older Subaru Impreza or Subaru Legacy if you can find them in good condition. They are an AWD platform and can easily get over 16 MPG with their fuel setups and smaller engine displacements.

Another fine idea would just to get a Honda Civic or Toyota Corolla if you can find them for under 4k.

If you really just "dont care" and just want cheap transportation that you can rag the hell out of on, then a Toyota Tercel is your car.

Also consider the Nissan Sentra.

I guess the next questions would be:

Do you mind an older car? (1990s)
Do you mind a reallly older car? (1980s)
Do you mind going with a diesel car?
Your needs same very easy to fulfill, you have some wiggle room to be even more picky. Anything else you wanna mention? Do you want an easier time in the winter with an AWD setup? Perhaps you want to rid yourself of torque steer and want a RWD setup (-cough cough- Cadillac Catera -cough cough-)? Do you want some luxury? Maybe you're picky about aesthetics? You have some wiggle room to be honest.
Hey sorry as for premium fuel I meant to say I dont mind very much. Haha
And no I wouldnt mind disel either. Uh I would like something a little spacious, good decent leg room in the back, but then again of course these are just minor things that I could live with, luxury, eh not s omuch on my list, I dont care too much for it
I dont mind an older car, or a really older car, Considering I will probably be fixing them up with my dad if there are some problems, and if I dont have them ill ask my dad to buy the specific parts and ill just pay him back every paycheck which he said he would do for me. And yes I would like to get around well in the winter, in new york, like last winter we had no snow, some winters we get terrible snow, so I want to be sure I can get around.
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Hey sorry as for premium fuel I meant to say I dont mind very much. Haha
And no I wouldnt mind disel either. Uh I would like something a little spacious, good decent leg room in the back, but then again of course these are just minor things that I could live with, luxury, eh not s omuch on my list, I dont care too much for it
I dont mind an older car, or a really older car, Considering I will probably be fixing them up with my dad if there are some problems, and if I dont have them ill ask my dad to buy the specific parts and ill just pay him back every paycheck which he said he would do for me. And yes I would like to get around well in the winter, in new york, like last winter we had no snow, some winters we get terrible snow, so I want to be sure I can get around.
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Yep, just as I thought, a Subaru Legacy or Subaru Impreza will suit you well if you can find one in your budget (shouldn't be too hard). Look for the 90s models. Make sure it's AWD.

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Yep, just as I thought, a Subaru Legacy or Subaru Impreza will suit you well if you can find one in your budget (shouldn't be too hard). Look for the 90s models. Make sure it's AWD.
Thanks so much for your help, im gunna look around online just for prices right now, should mileage be a huge priority? im expecting something with 100k to 150k miles on it, or would that be out of my budget?

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Thanks so much for your help, im gunna look around online just for prices right now, should mileage be a huge priority? im expecting something with 100k to 150k miles on it, or would that be out of my budget?
100k-150k would be fine.

Many many MANY, MANY people use mileage as a yardstick to how much life is left in an engine.

This is sorely incorrect.

Mileage simply dictates the minimum of how much life has gone; not how much is left.

Think this:

Two owners own the same car. The first owner takes immaculate care of his car, does an oil change every 3,000, valve timing checks, replaces any worn parts immediately, never lets his fuel pump run dry; etc. He logs 200k miles on his car.

The second owner only has his car for 10k miles, but he has never changed his oil, has let his fuel pump run dry all the time, and constantly full throttles the engine with no regard for it.

Which engine do you think is in better shape?

The first one.

Simply try to find a car that has an engine in good condition, and does not have major problems (rusting chassis, rusting suspension mounts, rusting motor mounts, etc. Rust is a *****; any rust that is not on a body panel or on a part that can be easily replaced is EXTREMELY bad, and can pretty much be considered as a car with "cancer".)

If worst comes to worst, you'll find a Subaru Legacy or Impreza with an engine on it's last legs; and that's fine. Replacing these engines can be quite inexpensive (can be as low as the mid 2 thousands to replace with a brand new, certified crate engine. Can be in the hundreds if you buy a scrapyard engine, which, there is no shame in.) and these cars are just plainly: Good cars.

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