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Unread 07-09-2015, 04:42 PM   #1
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Default Thoughts on the Challenger vs Mustang vs Camaro

Now that I've driven all three, I wanted to drop a short review on each of these cars.

The Camaro I drove was a 2010 with the 2SS package and a 6 speed manual. It REALLY liked this drivetrain. Clutch and shifter felt great, it was very easy and a lot of fun to drive. Nice low seating position and made fantastic power throughout its rev range. It's lighter than the Challenger by ~300 lbs but also has ~50 less HP but felt MUCH faster. Excellent power, immediate acceleration from 2k rpm up. Sounded nice too.

The interior however is woefully outdated and its visibility is horrible. The traction control button makes no sense and the buttons to turn on basic features like the air conditioning are needlessly changed to deviate from the virtually standard "A/C" marking. Otherwise, I liked the Camaro a lot more than I thought I would. It's the absolute definition of a penis car and makes no effort to fly under the radar which explains why it looks the way it does.

The Challenger on the other hand somehow manages to be both classy and classic at the same time. The car just looks totally badass but doesn't go over the top like the Camaro does. The interior was nice, I liked how easy getting the car hooked up to your phone was. The infotainment on the center screen between the tach/speedo was a little distracting.

For a car with 475 hp it didn't FEEL all that fast... and it isn't. It's totally outpaced by both cars in the 0-60 and corners like the big heavy boat it is. The seats don't have enough bolstering to keep you from sliding about when you even go near the steering wheel. You also sit quite high compared to the other two cars. At least it's comfortable but it's far from the car I'm looking for. There was also a remarkable amount of shifter slop for a 2015 though it did have 25k miles on it somehow.

And finally the Mustang GT. I drove two different 2011 models, one with the base and the other with the premium package. Both came with 3.73 rear ends. I have to say that I went into these test drives knowing I already liked the Mustang the best just given the numbers. It's the cheapest, fastest, and the best looking both interior and exterior in my opinion.

Driving it, the low end grunt is a little lacking unlike the Camaro. That is apparently very easily fixed with the popular Power Pack which grants a remarkable 60 lb-ft extra torque on the low end. Though it doesn't offer much in the way of peak gains (mid teens at most), it's well worth the purchase to get that low end punch while still keeping you well under the price tag of comparable Camaros and Challengers if you throw in this package.

In any event, the Mustang's engine, steering feel, shifter feel, seating position, and overall cohesiveness as a total package were much better in my opinion than any of the other cars. From the factory, the Mustang could stand to improve by allowing you to hear the engine some more whether that be through less sound deadening or a louder exhaust. I found it difficult to find out what the engine was doing without looking at the tachometer. Even with the windows open, it's remarkably quiet and therefore difficult to rev match properly without taking your eyes off the road. This may be a plus anyway because it's probably better to start quiet and allow the aftermarket scene to take care of the rest.

The Mustang also offers excellent integration with your electronics and keeps the infotainment out of your eyes. The steering wheel controls work very well if you feel the need to fiddle about with your music or read text messages.

In conclusion I think the Mustang offers the best bang/buck by a large margin and ties together the simple characteristics of a cheap american muscle car that doesn't feel cheap while integrating some modern touches much better than the rest. I'll probably be picking one up in the next week or two.
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Thanks enderx for posting this type of post.Its having good informative data.I really like it.

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If you're getting one make sure it's got the brembo brake package on there. First mode is some Hawk pads, second mod is stickier tires, third mod is a drop, fourth is a tune. Wait till you feel the difference.
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Absolutely, the Brembo package gives you some minor but nice handling upgrades in addition to stopping power. Since I'll more than likely be taking the car to the COTA, that will be a must.

I'm waiting it out to find the right one. Gotta get the right color and options. Hoping I can find one with a tasty warranty too.
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i'm waiting it out to find the right one. Gotta get a black one with the right options. Hoping i can find one with a tasty warranty too.
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Heh, maybe. I think I'd want a bright (grabber?) blue or dark grey one over a black one. If I had the option, that is. The brembo packages come by so seldom that I'm not sure I'm going to have a choice anyway

I'm also currently debating between the Mustang and the BRZ/FRS which I know is an apples to oranges comparison but it's in the running anyway. Having driven both, I don't think the handling sacrifice of choosing the Mustang is going to be of much significance to me anyway so that's what I'm leaning towards. Additionally I know I'd miss the sound and power a lot.
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Awesome comparison! Keep us updated with what you find!
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I sure will, its a tough choice because the BRZ/FRS is definitely the "smart" choice as it's much less likely to get me in trouble, cheaper, and a fantastic driver's car. They are also a ton of fun to drive around. Just not that much power... very much a momentum car.

The mustang on the other hand has heaps of power, is more expensive, handles "well enough" but doesn't even compare to the BRZ/FRS in that dynamic but is also very fun to drive but in a totally different way. Can't beat the power and noise from an angry V8 it seems.
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Meh, pass on the BRZ unless all you want is an autox car. I test drove the brz and was completely unimpressed. The handling was decent, but power was so lacking it i literally laughed on the test drive, the brakes are weak and the clutch is sloppy. The chassis is a wonderful platform, they just went cheap on all the components. The boxer engine is also a weak link, they dont hold up to much power even with a full build, and even at that you may be lucky to break 400whp.

I agree the v8 has a wonderful feel. Have you thought about waiting for 2016 to see what else is out there?

The hyundai genesis may be right up your alley, as well as the long awaited Focus RS.
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I didn't think the lack of power was that bad, but certainly a little disappointing. I had the same thoughts about the brakes too.

I definitely do need to get out and drive the Genesis, the 3.8 is probably what I'd want to get in to. I've heard a lot of good things about it. I guess I'd just rather a V8 for some reason.

Unfortunately my price range dictates something around 20-25 at most. The Focus RS and most 2016 models I'd want are going to be well out of that price range though I have no doubt Ford will knock that one out of the park as they have been these recent years.

I'm certainly not in any rush. The Subaru is a wonderful little car in the meantime so I'm perfectly content with it for now.
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