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Unread 02-10-2009, 10:45 PM   #1
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Default Oil Filter On Too Tight RANT!!!!

Well, I am finally changing the oil in my 2000 Neon SE daily driver that I bought in September last year. I probably put about 5,000 miles on it. I am not nearly as religious with this car as I am with the SRT or even the quad cab pickup.

This is my first oil change since I got the car, and WTF, why do people think they have to crank the living he11 out of the oil filter? I swear people must have a filter wrench when they are putting it ON, even though it is recommended to NEVER do that.

I had to do something I haven't done in years: Hammer a long screwdriver through the bottom of the filter and use the screwdriver for leverage to turn the filter enough to get it to come off. In the process I made a nasty mess on my driveway I had to clean up.

I just don't understand the reasoning... it falls right in there with people who tighter the he11 out of the oil plug. You don't need to do that, you should never use an impact/air ratchet on your oil plug (even though the stupid dealerships do it time and time again). I've chewed up an oil plug on my SRT before because of that.

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Many people dont understand why there are tourque specs for everybolt on a machine, including cars. Overtightening will ruin things... I feel your pain!
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Ya I hated that when I was a lube tech. I think most people just forget to put the new oil on the gasket. If you had to use a screw driver than it was probably put on with a wrench. The worst is when you popping the cherry on a new car for the first time I think those filters are put on at the factory with a impact while the motor is out. Buy a good claw type wrench it never fails.
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beats the filter being too loose and falling out!!
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I <3 my cartridge style filter.

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Well, I am finally changing the oil in my 2000 Neon SE daily driver that I bought in September last year. I probably put about 5,000 miles on it. I am not nearly as religious with this car as I am with the SRT or even the quad cab pickup.

This is my first oil change since I got the car, and WTF, why do people think they have to crank the living he11 out of the oil filter? I swear people must have a filter wrench when they are putting it ON, even though it is recommended to NEVER do that.

I had to do something I haven't done in years: Hammer a long screwdriver through the bottom of the filter and use the screwdriver for leverage to turn the filter enough to get it to come off. In the process I made a nasty mess on my driveway I had to clean up.

I just don't understand the reasoning... it falls right in there with people who tighter the he11 out of the oil plug. You don't need to do that, you should never use an impact/air ratchet on your oil plug (even though the stupid dealerships do it time and time again). I've chewed up an oil plug on my SRT before because of that.

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It always seems to me like the filter's either on way too tight, or not nearly tight enough. I know the filter from my last oil change was put on improperly and has since leaked oil all over my starter. This is the main reason why I change my fluids myself now, that and it's a nice thing to know how to do.

I just wish more tech's would take a minute to make sure they do the job right, rather than slacking off. Heck, the guy that changed my oil last was probably in his 70's and looked like he had lots of experience and he still did it improperly.
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I was working at a VW dealership in the '80s when new Fox returned for it's first oil change. I struggled with getting that filter off for about 30 minutes and had totally torn the canister to shreds! I ended up removing the adapter from the engine and putting it in a vise and used a pipe wrench on the filter base to remove it. I think they used contact cement at the factory!
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The worst i ever had was a lowered chevy blazer with a 2.8L that worked with me we ended up using a strap type wrench plyers with a half inch breaker bar and a 3ft cheater we must have turned the cheater 3/4 of a turn before it broke free the filter was leaking all over and almost completly split in half by the time we were done. It wasn't the cars first but I think he went something like 15-20k before changing the oil just adding it.
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I wouldn't dare put a filter on without lubing the rubber gasket first, generally I just dip my finger into the oil and wipe the lip of the gasket then screw the filter on.

I've never let anyone change my oil in my SRT-4 since the first oil change (free) at the Dodge dealership near Oceanside California (forget the town, just south of Oceanside but not quite to san diego). Those asshats put conventional oil in my car, 10 weight, when the freaking SRT specs never call for anything other than synthetic, 5 weight at the time, now 0 weight for all SRT models.

Ever changed your oil after 17 miles? I did, two nights later haha.

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