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Unread 11-01-2006, 12:29 AM   #1
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I usually don't get excited about concept cars, and even less often do I take a second look at a GM product... But this pic should speak for itself.

http://www.allpar.com/cars/dodge/challenger.html
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Very sleek, i just dont think the new versions of the muscle cars come even close to living up to their older counter parts....

Back in the day, they were the meanest things on the raod., Now they are just pretty lookin and get smoked by civics with a little work under the hood. IMHO domestic cars are all junk nowadays and i would be at a loss if they all fell to the ground. Imports rule the auto world.
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I wouldn't be so sure...
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There is no replacement for displacement
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Pfft... back in the day that was true... now its the opposite. There is a replacement, and its called boost!
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Wow, let's see a 2.0L Mitsubishi motor in the Evo IX MR makes 286HP with only a single turbo+intercooler package to aid it, for an American car to match that it takes the Mustang GT's 4.6L V8 which puts out about 300HP, that V8 will use much more gas (not that that really matters in a drag race) but it's so much heavier that it wouldn't even dream of keeping up with that Evo. Not to mention AWD is better than RWD for drag races but that's not the point I'm trying to make, there are tons of replacements for displacement, in fact upping displacement is the last thing most Asian and European manufacturers will do, only after they've added valves per cylinder and messed with ignition, intake and exhaust and force induced their engines and reached a point where they have no other choice will they release larger capacity engines to replace those.

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V-8s with boost are nice though. Displacement+Boost=monster horsepower and torque.

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V-8s with boost are nice though. Displacement+Boost=monster horsepower and torque.
I believe that's where the quote comes from.

Horsepower numbers are absolutely pointless in a drag race. What you really should be looking at is recovery time.

You all should read this article by Larry Windmer:

http://theoldone.com/articles/itisdi...hardheads.html

Even the all-mighty manufacturers are "behind the times." Nascar, for example, is limited to a 600cfm intake, which is about the same as the average family sedan. How do they make so much more horsepower?? HIGH DYNAMIC COMPRESSION and HIGH THERMAL EFFICIENCY. If they had to stop for gas one more than anyone else in the race, they lose. This is the same way circle track racers have so much horsepower (they're limited to small two-barrel carbs...).

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I've actually read that article before. I wasn't implying that V-8s with boost are the best for drag merely that they are fun which is hard to deny. In addition to high dynamic compression and high thermal efficieny, downforce is one of the most important things in extreme drag racing as all the power in world won't do you any good if your tires don't stay on the ground.

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