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Unread 07-20-2009, 10:11 AM   #1
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Lightbulb 10 reasons american auto companies should build electric cars and we should buy them

1. They are more efficient than combustion engines, they always provide maximum torque, and don't require a transmission.
2. They can accelerate faster than ANY car that runs on gas (look up videos of electric cars smoking Ferraris!).
3. Oil is only getting more expensive, and the price of oil will outpace the speed that we can make cars more oil efficient. Electric cars are the only long-term cheap method of transportation.
4. Electric cars have been running on U.S. roads and highways for over a decade without problem (check out the Rav4-EV)
5. Hydrogen isnít safe. For hydrogen cars, you take electricity and convert it into hydrogen, and then convert it back into electricity, why not just store the electricity in a battery?
6. 100% Electric cars are lighter than hybrids (no combustion engine, no transmission), they also have a lower center of gravity and better handling.
7. Electric cars cost more than 25% less to maintain (less parts)
8. In 2008, U.S. spent $600 billion on oil, over 2/3 of which was imported and accounted for 30-59% of u.s. trade deficit. Electric cars could create American jobs and revitalize the American economy.
9. Although jobs will be lost if we start moving towards electric cars, jobs will also be created. A new study released estimates the net change in jobs would be 13,000 - 250,000 new jobs created.
10. There are too many more reasons to fit in a list of ten. The price of healthcare would go down, cities would be quieter, the electric grid is already at a capacity to handle charging electric cars, electric cars are fun...


If electric cars are great, why aren't they more popular? Car companies can't access the best battery packs for electric cars (high powered NiMH batteries) because Chevron owns the patents for them and refuses to license them. Before Chevron owned the patent, GM and Toyota both had 100% electric cars that worked great. There are plenty of places to learn more about electric cars on the internet, and elsewhere. I recommend the movie "Who killed the electric car?" and the book "Two cents per mile" by Nevres Cefo. If nothing else, remember that electric cars could be more than luxury vehicles- that they could change the way we think about transportation.

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The problem with Hybrids and Plug in electrics is the fact that if everyone drove one, the next environmental issue would be "What do we do with all this battery waste". You will never save a dime driving a hybrid vs a normal small car. BY the time to pay the premium, then drive enough to get you premium back in gas savings, its time to replace the batteries. The best we can do is a VW bluemotion, it gets 70 mpg on the highway, too bad they dont sell it here in USA. The europeans have the right Idea with Diesel. It can be made from any kind of oil easily. It is easier to make and has better efficiency than Gasoline.

The prius and other hybrids are worse for the environment than a large SUV. I'll sum it up for you

1. Alkali earth metals are stripped mined in central Canada, then transported to coast.

2. The elements are shpped via ocean freight to germany (ships burn a very crude high pollution diesel)

3. A very nasty refinement is done to elements to make a liquid metal froth. From central germany the metals are shipped to china via ocean freight. The hazardous waste is not accounted for?

4. In China via a harsh refinement process the metal froth is made into a battery pack.

5. From China shipped to japan, then via rail to Toyota plant.

6. Prius is built, then shipped via ocean freight to america.

Electric cars therefore in many ways are worse off than regular cars.

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I agree with you that most environmentalists ignore the production of the battery all-together, not to mention that even if we did do all the battery production and manufacturing in the U.S., there are still rare-metal parts that mess up the environment to create.

Recycling isn't that difficult though- atleast Tesla's li-ion battery can be 60% recycled and 10% reused, and the 30% of the stuff going to the landfill they say they will reduce by filtering out the plastic once their production gets large enough.

Even still- I don't think any motorized, manufactured vehicle is going to be 100% green. I'm not sure about where the materials come from for a non-electric car, but do you think that the waste and transportation involved is equivalent or greater?

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I agree with SRT - the best we have right now are clean diesel cars.
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I can see the benefits of electric cars and think they will eventually prevail. They are very efficient in the transfer of power from the motor to the wheels, require minimal maintainence and are more powerful than any internal combustion engine of a similar rating. Add this to the fact that they are also easier to drive due to having no gears and it really is inevitable that they will replace internal combustion.

Me? I will miss using the clutch, I will miss changing gears, and, most importantly, I will miss the roar of an engine. But these are silly reasons to resist a better, more advanced technology.

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I can see the benefits of electric cars and think they will eventually prevail. They are very efficient in the transfer of power from the motor to the wheels, require minimal maintainence and are more powerful than any internal combustion engine of a similar rating. Add this to the fact that they are also easier to drive due to having no gears and it really is inevitable that they will replace internal combustion.

Me? I will miss using the clutch, I will miss changing gears, and, most importantly, I will miss the roar of an engine. But these are silly reasons to resist a better, more advanced technology.
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Question Solar hydrogen

The biggest problem with electric vehicles (EV's) and probably the root of why they aren't popular/economic is the battery.
  • Even with present day Lithium ion (Li-Ion) batteries, it is still expensive to build batteries.
  • They take a long time to charge (in a world where filling up a fuel tank takes only a few minutes).
This battery problem will change once the developing technology of supercapacitors takes precedence (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercapacitor).

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Moving onward,
I am an extreme fan/supporter of alternative energy, and I'm looking into some alternative solutions using present-day tech. A guy named Mike Strizki has already harnessed and proven one of the best simple solutions, using a "series drive" fuel cell + battery electric hybrid. Read on...

Granted, everyone wants a perfect tool: Any army wants inexpensive, weightless, powerful weapons. For citizens; free, eco-friendly, powerful cars would be really nice, but we all know it's not happening any time soon.

What Mr. Strizki has done is this: he's gone "Solar". In addition to powering his entire home without any connection to the national power grid, he has enough solar-electric panels to generate hydrogen gas (H2) via electrolysis of water (H2O). The hydrogen is stored for later use. To make a long story short, a combination of chemical batteries and H2 storage + fuel cells seems to be a pretty elegant solution IMO. The H2 that isn't used to power his home during night/overcast times is used in his vehicle. Simple, clean, quiet. The ever-present area for improvement is efficiency. See the video on Mike's
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The lesson that must be learned is that while our solar-electric tech may be inefficient, solar energy is extremely abundant, and with it may come simple solutions. I'm psyched about those supercaps.

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I'd rather have a gas guzzling v8, but thats just me.
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Slink, that post was excellent. Rep+.

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I bought a Grand Prix because it's got guts and is fun to drive. Got pretty good mileage too. I bought a Blazer because of the four wheel drive and the fact that they're reliable. Could've gotten a silverado but it's overkill for me. I'll do my part to keep the emissions as low as possible.
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I'm up in the air about this one. We need electric cars from this piont forward the strip mining is bad but the continued damage being done is much worse. The ships that ship the parts like SRT said are very high pollution but remove the parts and that ship still has bills and will sail with or with out hybrid parts. If we shipped enough hybrid parts say 2000 batteries worth a run ( which is nothing to these shipps) the benefit would out way the cost by far they are actually pretty efficient when you look at the job they do although that problem needs to be corrected to. Forget gas mileage the car still manages to do 50% less emmisions then other fueled cars on the road. Also the Civic hybrid system is what I think is the way to go for now not the Prius. The system on the Civic is simple flawless has great benefits and uses a much smaller battery plus the battery is servicable. Meaning it's made of a bunch of smaller batt's that can be replaced individually so it has much less impact on the enviroment. If every car sold was eguiped with this system stop and go traffic emmisions would be cut by 70% interstate emmisions would remain the same. Your vehicle would perform the same as now since it can be adopted to any engine. and over all emmisions from automobiles would drop 35%.

Now if we coujld develope a better combustion engine on alt. fuel like Hydrogen or even take a really efficent diesel engine we could get another 15-30% drop on emmisions drasticly decreasing our impact.

Example SRT's VW Bluemotion adapted with this sytem would probably see 15mpg more city driving same interstate may be 1 less with the addiational 300lbs it would carry and it would be faster off the line with the 500flbs torque the system would add. So what is this car now 50 city 70 highway would you like a car that was 65 city 69 highway at 50-60% less emmisions.

If the auto world is going to figure this out some major players will have to start major group efforts sharing secret info and developments with each other to design a practical fuel efficient and affordable car.

I think they also need to change the idea from a car that can do it all to cars designed for certain purposes like a big battery high output city driver hybrid that gets great mileage around town commutes but not a freeway car with mch worse mileage, and a free way version that has a smaller battery and less wieght may be solar assist that gets great interstate mileage and travel time.


Say A Civic that gets 60 around town and quick off the line top speed 65mph 300 range,
and a Civic that gets 80 on interstate travel using solar assist top speed 90mph 500 range slow starter but responsive at higher speeds.

Yes most peope can't buy 2 cars but if we can manage 2 models for around 15K a piece most people will buy 1 and if they neede pay 40 bucks to save 120 on gas to rent the other for that vacation.

Try SRT your interstate everyday right wouldn't you like a car you could fill once a month for 20 bucks for 16K it would pay for it self fast. In your scenerio you would never need to rent 1 because you'll just use the othr car to travel around town when you have a night out right.

I drive commuter traffic I would love a car with 60 miles per gallon and a 300 range that would cost me 5.5 gallons of gas to fill up once every 2 weeks like 30 bucks a month if i'm travelling then i'll rent a different model it pays for it self, and I have a good concious about the emmsions i'm saving.

Get my drift sorry to remble it's late and the baby won't let me sleep. I appoligive now for any spelling or grammers errors i'm not proof reading this do to fatigue and every one here knows I can't spell or read anyway.
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