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Unread 11-11-2009, 04:46 PM   #1
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Question Help for a beginner please: Jeep Patriot or Ford Escape?

In a few weeks, I am moving from Spain (where Iīm from) to Mexico City. I will need a car (itīs gonna be my first), and after careful research I have two favourites, although I am open to other suggestions...

Jeep Patriot 2010 2.4 l. Fwd Sport with manual transmission
Price: 249,900 Mexican Pesos (around 19,000 USD)

Ford Escape 2010 XLS I4 2.5 l. with manual transmission
Price: 274,000 Mexican Pesos (around 20,800 USD)

Which one would you recommend?

My needs:

1) First, it needs to be manual transmission. Thatīs why I have discarded all the Japanese SUVs Iīve seen, sold in Mexico only in their automatic versions.

2) Second, I am very tall: 6.6 ft. So enough room for my legs is a must. Which of the two vehicles is better for a tall driver?

3) It has to be a SUV, as road conditions in Mexico are pretty bad, with constant potholes, flooding, etc. I wonīt do any Indiana Jones trips, but I need to feel comfortable when the road is not good. And I canīt afford real off road vehicles.

4) Anything significantly more expensive than the Ford Escape would probably be too expensive.

Thatīs all. Any ideas??? THANKS A LOT IN ADVANCE FOR YOUR HELP!!!

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If you want a good SUV that's capable off-road, I wouldn't look at those two. They're ok in a pinch, but they wouldn't be my first choice. They're front wheel drive unless the front wheels can't hold anymore, and don't have a low range.


Try finding a 1984-1996 F150 shortbed or Fullsize Bronco with 4WD. Plenty reliable, much cheaper, and I know damn well you can fit in them. I'm a big guy, myself(6'1 or so, 275 pounds) and I fit into my '85 F150 with ease.

Perhaps also a used Jeep Wrangler 4.0, but I don't know how roomy those are. You should be able to fit into one tho.
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Thanks, TestECull!
It has to be a new car, because I am working for a foreign agency and I will get an important tax exemption in new vehicles.
Real off-road capability is not essential, I am more looking for a vehicle that will manage well on poorly maintained roads, potholes and bumps.

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Ahh. I figured you'd need something with a proper 4WD setup.

Yeah, in that case the two you listed will be fine. Just don't go flying through the holes 'n such. I was under the assumption that a bad road in Mexico = a random pair of well-beaten tire tracks running through the desert or something. My personal choice would be the Escape, but that's because I have a bit of a soft spot for Ford.
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and I'm going to go with the jeep... for obivous reasons.
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You're looking for a front wheel drive patriot? I don't know how well that'll do with rough terrain, but I think a 4x4 setup would be much more capable.

My personal choice would be a new wrangler, if they're available where you are. It has plenty of room for myself (6'5''), decent power, can be had with a manual transmission, is amazingly agile off road and in sticky situations, and can't be beat for reliability and ease of maintenance.
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I also second the Wrangler. But they may be too much. Idunno, you may be able to find one for 19K USD. It ain't gonna have any nice options, and it will have the 4.0L inline six. Which is, IMO, the preferable engine.
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We get alot of Patriots from Fox rent a car like 8 or 10 a week for tires and service. I can say they are built cheaply just like the Ford and they are a cross over vehicle but even the cheapest ones they sell come with a 4X4 set up and a 6speed Auto gas mileage rocks and they are pretty capable like little mountain Goats. It's a car platform though which kinda sucks but it's probably perfect for what you need. All the ones Fox has are the cheapest ones they can get from Jeep and every one is 4 wheel drive i'm not sure if just FWD is a option or not. Drive train is pretty bullet proof. Hell there Rentals people beat the crap out of them and we never had one for a major repair except a tranny under warranty ones somebody probably tried to power brake in 4wd or something.
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Dude..get a good ol' trusty K5 Blazer with a 350...ain't nothing stock that's gonna beat those suckers in the mud...

If you're dead set on a new vehicle, check out a Chevy Equinox or Tahoe. (if they still make tahoes, not sure)
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He said it had to be new due to Gov kick back plus a Tahoe sounds like it 15K out of the price range compared to the options listed. The Equinox is just crap and i'm a chevy guy that should say something.
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