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Unread 10-17-2010, 02:02 AM   #1
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My question is sort of odd, but I hope some knowledgeable member of the forum will be able to help me. I`d like to warn you ahead of time that I am a total dummy when it comes to cars, so your explanations must be foolproof.

I am a compulsive reader. So yesterday while reading a fictional story I was having a hard time understanding some passages. The protagonist talks a lot about his car, Robur that was built somewhere around 1910-1915. I found a picture of a similar car that I am going to attach.
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1. "My old car had the gears as they used always to be in notches on a bar. In this car you passed the gear-lever through a gate to get on the higher ones."

Both cars had manual transmission.
What was the essential difference between them? Speaking of gears that are in notches on a bar , what do they look like?

You can post a picture or just tell me how I should rephrase it (maybe there is some special auto term.)
I`ve tried to google the phrase "gears in notches on a bar" and not surprisingly, found nothing relevant

2. "In this car you passed the gear-lever through a gate to get on the higher ones." "Higher ones" refers to notches? Please, post a picture of what he is talking about or just tell me how I can rephrase it to make it "googleable".
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First, review this picture:
HowStuffWorks "A Very Simple Transmission"

What I think he means by "notches on a bar" is the collar (gear selector) that slides along the bar between two gears, and then "notches" in to the gear you select. For a traditional 5-speed transmission, there are three of these bars next to each other (with first and second on one bar, third and fourth on the middle bar, and then fifth and reverse on the last bar).

Now, a 1910s transmission could be totally different than this, but its the best I can do.
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First, review this picture:
HowStuffWorks "A Very Simple Transmission"

What I think he means by "notches on a bar" is the collar (gear selector) that slides along the bar between two gears, and then "notches" in to the gear you select. For a traditional 5-speed transmission, there are three of these bars next to each other (with first and second on one bar, third and fourth on the middle bar, and then fifth and reverse on the last bar).

Now, a 1910s transmission could be totally different than this, but its the best I can do.
The notches on a bar sounds most like a splined shaft like the yellow output shaft in that article. As for passing a lever through a gate, H-shifter?

It sounds like he's hinting at a transmission that was a luxury to have in those times, possibly on a Rover? Where was he from? What kind of car was he comparing it to?

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Back then nothing was standardized. The transmission in the Model T was operated with the various foot pedals, throttle on the wheel. Cadillac made the first car with the layout we know of today, that is, clutch-brake-gas pedals, in that order, with an H-pattern shifter in the middle. I think it was 1916, might have been 1926, don't remember. It was on Top Gear though.
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three on the tree ftw
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three on the tree ftw
Aren't there still tree-shifters nowadays? I feel like I saw Colin McRae driving a 5 or 6-speed steering-column shifter.
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Yeah. Lots of vehicles have column shift.


They're all autotragic, but hey, column shift is column shift.
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Column shift =/= three on the tree.
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Column shift =/= three on the tree.
But three on the tree is column shift. I was just trying to figure out what manuals were still column shifted.


edit: I found the car that I was thinking of, but it looks like a manumatic
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