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Unread 05-08-2007, 04:08 PM   #1
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Greetings...I have been debating myself on whether or not to finish my truck and keep it, or finish my truck and trade it in or sell it and get a car.

My truck is a '93 Toyota 4x4 DLX Xtra Cab it has a slightly modified 22-RE engine. Mods are EFI PRO Camshaft kit w/aluminum rockers and STreet Performer valve-springs from LC Engineering, a BIG BORE throttle-body, also from LC, and a K&N FIPK Cold Air Kit. Also, I replaced stock fan assembly with a 2800 CFM electric fan. Exhaust is 3", but other than that, nothing fancy. Aside from the upgrades, the entire engine only has about 6,000 miles on it, having put a newly pieced together engine into it in January. Also, at that same time, I replaced the clutch and harmonic balancer.

Still planned to do; headers, suspension(4" suspension lift w/2" wheel spacers), hood scoop(yes, just to look cool), and repair some body damage(passenger fender, valance, windshield ) and repaint...either same color, which is Midnight Pearl(dark, dark blue with lots of clear coat), or change it to charcoal.
Other additions I've made are, AR Ventura-136 rims, Smittybilt chrome Suresteps, Go Knockdown grille guard, Sony GTX200 CD/MP3, 600W Xplod amp & 10" Xplod sub (not much room here ok ),
and 4x sony XSV160HP 6 1/2" speakers, 2 front, 2 back.

Now, I really love my truck, but it is getting old. But though it is old, trucks like these are in high demand in the area that I live in, and they consistantly fetch thousands over blue book value, especially ones that look good and arent stock, so if I sell it once completed I should get at least $6000-$7,000(though tructh be told, thats not MUCH more than what I will have put into it over the last two years.)but is enough to pay for half of the car I've been looking into getting. Which is a 2000 to 2003 Toyota Celica GTS w/less than 80K miles on it. Must be GTS of course, w/6 speed tranny, and 1.8L 180HP engine. And in this area, the ones I've seen on Auto Trader run in the $9000-$12,000 range.

So, most of my friends think I have lost my friggin mind, though several want to buy it from me(if only they had the money). So what do you guys think? Keep my baby, or ditch it and get a sporty little chick magnet I can tweek out and have fun with....and maybe kill myself with

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Honestly, if it were me I'd keep the truck and finish the mods to it, but then again all I drive is trucks. Another thing to consider is that Toyotas are tough, and that new engine should last 200,000 miles, plus the car isn't capable of off road travel.

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There are tons of BETTER cars out there, but have you ever even driven a suped-up GTS? You hit 0-45 in like 2 seconds in first gear without even red-lining...and still have 5 gears to go. Besides, its also a toyota, and there is really nothing comparable, in my eyes, at that price point of $9k-$12k. Sure there are tons of better cars out there.... that I would have to either spend more money to get, or even more money to resurrect... but prove me wrong and you may change my mind.

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Yes I am biased towards Toyota. For a few reasons.
-The last 4 vehicles I have owned have been Toyota's

-Every person I know that owns a 'Yota (especially trucks) has gotten at least 200K miles out of them. And as for trucks, once your engine goes, throw in another and your ready to go for another 200-300K miles. (My '86 Short Bed Turbo pickup finally threw a rod on me @272,000 miles. I then GAVE the truck to a good friend of mine, who rebuilt the engine(sans turbo unit), and still drives that truck to this day(I gave it to him in 2001).

-Though most models vary from era to era, I know Toyota's and can work on them(most of them), myself. Sure I know Chevy a bit, but I am more comfortable with 'Yota's.

-VALUE; Lets compare this 2001 Dodge full sized pickup, with this 1997 mid-sized Tacoma. Both are 4WD, both good trucks....
The Dodge, is LOADED and has custom paint(I know can't see from pic), 20" rims, and other goodies. With 158K miles, it is selling for $9,000.
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.js...l=&cardist=179

The Toyota Tacoma is stock, without j4ck for options,(not even power windows). The Tacoma has a little less mileage with 136K miles. This little 'Yota, unglamorous as it is, fetches $16,000. Thats almost DOUBLE what that domestic truck sells for. And yet, the Toyota is 4 or 5 years older, with MUCH less in the way of options. This is because when you buy a Toyota, you aren't just buying a vehicle. You are buying a name, and a gaurantee(you hope), that you aren't wasting your money, and that your investment will last for years to come.
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.js...l=&cardist=179

As far as what I am looking for in a vehicle, the reason I like the 2000-2003 Celica's, is that they are fast. And that tightly tuned 4 banger will not consume nearly as much fuel as a V8, or even V6. Also, I just love the way they look, and drive. If I had enough money, I would certainly buy a higher end car. I would even consider some domestics, as the domestic manufacturers have started to get their crap together in the last couple of years...but they have a lot to make up for the junk they pushed on us during the 1980's and 1990's. And thats just it...THATS the time period in which companies like Toyota and Honda built their power and reputations. And that is why they are outselling just about every other company in the market.

I've always looked at it like this. If you buy a domestic car, you can get a very nice piece of machinery....IF you pay the money for it. BUT DON"T GO CHEAP! Because cheap domestic cars are exactly that....CHEAP.

But, if you can find a good SOLID vehicle for 9-12K, that is quick, sporty, and good on gas, and that wont develope buzzes and rattles after a couple months of owning it, I'm down. In other words, something cheap that isn't CHEAP.

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Well, I wasn't asking for advice on what KIND of car to buy, but rather if I should trade my truck for said KIND of car...lol

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Well honestly mate, i would keep the truck cause uve spent all that money on it...on the other hand if u want a more sporty car, sell the truck and buy somethin besides a celica(no offence, but they r crap) i know cause ive seen them in a race and they got beaten by a turbo diesel holden astra, and there was 3 celicas in the race, they all got beaten by miles......

As for ur 4" lift, no offence again, but it WOULD look stupid as hell, there is a toyota surf(or somethin along those lines, dont rly like toyotas much) which has one and it is the most stupidist heap of crap ive seen(again no offence)

So my verdict is, keep the truck for a while and maybe sell it then(say after 1 or 2 yrs) when u can save some money up for the sports car if ya want it.

P.S sorry if i offended u in any way with stuff ive said......
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No offense taken at all.... though I must ask...where those Celica's Standard, GT, or GT-S versions, and what years? Because though they look the same(2000-2003's), the GT's, and GT-S' are better than the standard....with the GT-S being MUCH better than the GT, having a different engine with over 20% more horsepower w/ 11.5:1 compression, and a WAY nicer, 6-speed tranny. But, NO...they aren't made for top-end speed...but accelerate nicely(for a cheap 2002 sports car) @ 0-60MPH in 6.6 seconds w/ 0.89 lateral-g's(compare with a 2002 Ford Mustang GT w/V8...Mustang gets 0-60 in 6 seconds flat..., thats .6 seconds better, but with slightly less 'OOMPH', @ only .82 lateral-g's.

As far as the 4" lift goes, picture it 4" taller, now 5" wider on each side, and fender-flares...thats just beastly my friend. But it will also be functional...as of now, I can only get maybe 6 inches of wheel-travel before I rub..not very good articulation, which is necessary for some of the off-highway driving/playing that I do. With 4" more room, that should be enough to go most of the places I want to go, and hit(and survive), most of the deep ruts I want to drive through. But...sometimes its about style..some people like to "slam" their trucks and make them lower. I just put it this way...If we get into a collision, I'm likely going to drive OVER your vehicle...Monster-Truck style...so just be warned

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im not to sure if they were gt or gt-s, but i know they werent standard, they were pretty new, like 2003 or 2004 models, they went alright in a straight line, but when i came to cornering, they were crap. And they didnt sound too good either, they were too loud for the size of the car........and the sound wasnt like a wrx or evo, it was more like the car was rattleing a lot, but it was comin out of the muffler.
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