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Unread 03-29-2016, 03:11 PM   #1
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Hi guys...not sure if this is the correct place to post on the forum but here goes...im a beginner so please excuse if i come across as ignorant...

so i was looking up some cars to decide which would be best for drifting, circuit racing and drag events...i dont intend to buy a car for all this as of now but im still curious about the cars...ive narrowed it down to 4 cars based on availability, cost and from the information available on the net, ease in tuning...the cars ive narrowed down are the 1999 Mitsubishi Lancer EVO VI GSR, the 2003 Subaru Impreza WRX 4 door sedan, 1995-1998 Nissan Silvia S14 and the 1993 twin turbo Toyota Supra...

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1. i heard that for beginners a 4WD car is good enough for drifting as these cars tend to be more stable than RWD cars such as the Supra and S14...if i am correct in assuming 4WD cars are better for beginners who want to drift, is it the EVO VI or the Impreza WRX? Or will either be good enough? I suppose both these cars are also ok for drag racing, is that correct? I know both these cars 4WD, but can they be converted to RWD?

2. as far as RWD cars go, are the Silvia S14 and the Supra good enough for amateur to moderately experienced performance drivers for both drift and drag races? Ive noticed that some vehicles use a balancing wheel of some sort attached to the rear of the vehicle? Im not sure if this required for the Silvia S14 and the Supra, my understanding is that these balancing wheels are used only for cars with very high powered drivetrains, so the wheel may not be necessary for the S14 and Supra, but please confirm this.

3. As far as tuning these four cars go, i read mixed information on the net. Are these 4 cars relatively easy to tune? I understand for best results both mechanical and software upgrades should be in sync while tuning, so are mechanical and electro-mechanical parts (such as fuel injectors) easy to source for these 4 cars? If i remember correctly these cars with the exception of the Subaru, use OBD1 ports, is that correct? Im not sure, but I think the Subaru comes with an OBD2 port since its a post-2000 model, is this correct? Also are tools used to tune the software for these cars 4 easily available?

4. Depending on the kind and extent of tuning, im assuming all four cars can be tuned for drift, circuit and drag racing. Is this correct?

5. If you guys think there are other cars i should look at, do let me know which ones with model year.

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4WD is definitely not better for beginners at drifting in my book. Requires much more technical ability. Also harder to work on and more expensive to fix.
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I like the Evo, but I'd look into each of the four more deeply. It's a very personal thing and the car needs to suit the driver, not just the task.

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the cars ive narrowed down are the 1999 Mitsubishi Lancer EVO VI GSR, the 2003 Subaru Impreza WRX 4 door sedan, 1995-1998 Nissan Silvia S14 and the 1993 twin turbo Toyota Supra...
The WRX is a nice car, but I should imagine it's not the best for proper drifting, and it's lap times are hindered somewhat by the suspension which is an all-rounder rather than performance oriented.

The Toyota Supra is good for drifting, but I should imagine it's not the best dragster of the bunch, and is the older of the four.

But overall, I'd try all four cars on the road at the very least and try to figure out which is better.

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so i was looking up some cars to decide which would be best for drifting, circuit racing and drag events.
Well, It's impossible to hold that stick at both ends. A drifting car is calibrated much unlike a race car, and a dragster is different as well.

You might get a car that can put a nice lap time but be able to power-slide (and "drifting" goes far beyond powersliding) as well get quickly off of the line, but there will always be a compromise and you will not get a car that is a "dragster", "race-car" or "drifting car" per se.

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I heard that for beginners a 4WD car is good enough for drifting as these cars tend to be more stable than RWD cars[...]I suppose both these cars are also ok for drag racing, is that correct? I know both these cars 4WD, but can they be converted to RWD?
All-Wheel Drive isn't more "stable" than Rear-wheel Drive per se. It's advantages (and whether there are any depends on the car) only show when you are on the power or in ovverun (off of the brakes).

All-Wheel Drive adds weight and changes the weight distribution so it's not normally used for professional drag racing.

For drifting, the torque it applies to the front of the car tends to pull it out of slides, so it needs to have a very rear-bias power distribution, which very few all-wheel drive cars have.

Even than it's not ideal. Basically, it'd be easier to pull out of a drift at a big angle (a-la Ken Block) but it'd be harder to maintain a long slide. Granted, the former is harder than the latter, but the latter is more in the heart of what drifting is.

All these disadvantages (combined with the effect on roll-moment distribution) also hurt track performance. You might get a decent track car, but ultimately professional race cars are rear-wheel driven for a reason.

All-wheel drive can help a novice who enters bends on the power (I should write about this someday), but when you start to trail brake (which you will have to do to stop others overtaking you on the inside) it doesn't help anymore.

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as far as RWD cars go, are the Silvia S14 and the Supra good enough for amateur to moderately experienced performance drivers for both drift and drag races? Ive noticed that some vehicles use a balancing wheel of some sort attached to the rear of the vehicle? Im not sure if this required.
They should be, but there is a personal aspect to this and you need to try the car for yourself. Anyhow, a standard powered car doesn't need an additional wheel for stability. You don't even see race cars use them...

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Are these 4 cars relatively easy to tune? I understand for best results both mechanical and software upgrades should be in sync while tuning, so are mechanical and electro-mechanical parts (such as fuel injectors) easy to source for these 4 cars?
If you plan on seeing racetracks with the car, than engine power is the least of your troubles. Even on a drag strip you will first need to calibrate grip and handling, otherwise you will just spin the wheels...

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Depending on the kind and extent of tuning, im assuming all four cars can be tuned for drift, circuit and drag racing. Is this correct?
I should imagine not. You can't turn a relatively front-biased All-Wheel Drive car into a drifting car. Trying to convert the drivetrain to Rear-Wheel Drive sounds easy enough, but remember than the manufacturer built the car around it being an AWD, so you will need to change wheel alignment, weight distribution, moment of inertia, roll moment distribution, etc...

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First thing you should be clear about is which car you are looking for - the new ones or used ones. If you are looking for the new ones I would like to go either with Nuvosport or Tata Tiago personally. And if you are looking for the used car I would go for Mahindra XUV500. Apart from these are many other used cars. The car you purchase should be suitable for you to drive rather than design.And most important - 4WD is definitely not good for beginners

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First thing you should be clear about is which car you are looking for - the new ones or used ones. If you are looking for the new ones I would like to go either with Nuvosport or Tata Tiago personally. And if you are looking for the used car I would go for Mahindra XUV500. Apart from these are many other used cars. The car you purchase should be suitable for you to drive rather than design.And most important - 4WD is definitely not good for beginners
I don't think we have any of those here in the states! Come to think of it, I don't think we have any Indian brands here at all.
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out of those 4 wrx.

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