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Unread 08-31-2010, 08:01 AM   #1
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Angry 3rd gear keeps scraping

05 neon srt-4 keeps scraping and i heard lots of 05 neon's are having this problem. Do you know exactly what is the problem?

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Unread 08-31-2010, 08:51 AM   #2
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the syncro goes out. I've driven a few like that. it's annoying as hell, and is the reason you don't see many of them anymore.

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It seems to be a combination of problems. The selector pin, gates, and syncro. IMO, what happens is the gates that the selector pin locks into to shift gears begins to get worn. That causes a number of problems.
The first being a total lockout. When shifting fast or hard the selector will actually bind on the gate and not move the rod at all.
The second thing is added wear and tear to the friction material on the syncro. If you have a worn out gate then you are not getting the proper movement when shifting gears. That will cause the grind and grab feeling.
The third thing is shift selector pin failure. With a combination of worn out gates and worn friction material/syncro ring you will try to shift harder which will ultimately break off the selector pin.

You can do a basic check of your syncros by doing this. Start your car and put it in neutral. With the car running and your foot off the clutch VERY GENITALLY try to put it in gear. It should be locked out and not let you in at all. If you get a grind then chances are you will be having some problems in the future. When doing this DO NOT force it into gear without using the clutch. If there is a problem there will be very little force needed to find out.
The grinding sound if you get it will scare the crap of you. LOL
I don't recommend everyone try this. Only try it if your grinding every time you shift.
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yes i do grind every time i shift and sometimes it doesnt allow me to go in third because it pops it back out. Someone told me about the pin. I was told it was caused by down shifting as well.

If i do that basic check will it mess up my car more. And sorry i am new at this i dont know much about cars, do you know how i would go on by fixing it and what i should buy?

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Unread 08-31-2010, 10:21 AM   #4
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Nah. Your synchronizer is probably beyond screwed.


As for fixing it....eeeehhhhh it's pretty deep inside the transmission. Not something a DIY guy can do. Replacing the whole transmission is a likely option but that's going to be quite pricey. My advice to you is to learn to double clutch while you save up for a transmission.
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Yeah i know how to double clutch. So I just have to keep double clutching until i save up for a new trans which do you perfer another 05 or an 04 trans.

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Eeehhh...I'm not a Dodge guy. My response to a problem with a dodge is to blow it up and buy a Ford.


I'm currently having transmission problems with both of my Mopars. The Dakota has a rock crusher where the 5-speed belongs and will be on it's third transmission here soon, the 4WD doesn't work, and the van leaks fluid at an unknown rate.



That being said I'd go for the 04 box. I haven't heard anything above the ordinary about those breaking. In the mean time double clutch it and hope there's no metal shavings floating around in there. You won't need working synchros at all if you double clutch.
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blow it up. Yeah because i heard there are lots of 05 trans that are messing up like crazy and its the same issue i have.

Yeah my cousin yelled at his bro telling him friends dont let friends buy dodges. lmfao.

Damn this **** pisses me the hell off. I hate how dodge thinks it's something else and charge you lots of money to fix it.

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ford is worse. lol.

I walked into a dealer to pick up a SRT-4... Walked out with my Focus.. Somehow a bad idea for both. (the SRT-4 had the 3rd gear issue, I've test drove 6 with it).
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My Ford has 275K on the original gearbox and all three synchros still work just fine.



Reverse never had one.
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I mean dodges, not fords.

Ok, my ford sucks.
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